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<DIV>what about the more fundamental problem that UI frames cannot be directed to a specific station (ie the cluster) and hence any commands contained therein will be ignored?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:bob.applegate@ulticom.com">Bob Applegate</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Date:</B></I> 10/27/05 15:27:55</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:N8DCJ@yahoo.com">N8DCJ@yahoo.com</A>; <A href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">The DXSpider Support list</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>This would be a nice feature.&nbsp;&nbsp;Most users simply suck spots off the cluster</DIV>
<DIV>anyway, so it would reduce the amount of traffic (ACKs) on the frequency</DIV>
<DIV>while still allowing them to contribute.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Since you're not connected, how would a command like "sh/dx" work?&nbsp;&nbsp;It's</DIV>
<DIV>a UI still, right?&nbsp;&nbsp;That means everyone gets flooded with the results of</DIV>
<DIV>each</DIV>
<DIV>others' requests.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'd suggest limiting the available commands that</DIV>
<DIV>unconnected</DIV>
<DIV>users can do, such as allowing spots, announce messages, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bob - K2UT</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>From: "Dan Bookwalter" &lt;<A href="mailto:n8dcj@yahoo.com">n8dcj@yahoo.com</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>To: &lt;<A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A>&gt;; "The DXSpider Support list"</DIV>
<DIV>&lt;<A href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; this doesnt seem to be too hard to accomplish on the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; surface... then again i am not the programmer ;-)</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; the only issue i see is that since you are not</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; "connected" your command may/will get lost at times</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; and you would have to resend the sh/dx or whatever...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; i do something like this at work with UDP packets</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; between a couple of applications...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; Dan N8DCJ</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; --- <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; I have a Linux server to manage the fle(X)net node</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; and the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; spider, so no AGW and UI-Bridge capabilities.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; However this</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; is a good idea to beacon spots.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; But I don't want just to beacon spots.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; Listen to me, guys...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; 1) I need a beacon function that allow node "to</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; beacon" UI</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; spots on a certain ax25 port</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; so listeners (clients) can ear spots (1 spot send by</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; node</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; serve all clients once).</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; 2) I want a new "protocol" connection between node</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; and</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; clients with "no protocol", as UI packet. When I am</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; on the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; frequency, I put my tnc in converse mode and I want</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; node recognize me as registered user "on demand"</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; without</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; logging in, when I send him a command as UI packet.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; I need</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; a function that allow me to use the commands, for</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; example:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; sh/qrz</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; sh/usdb</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; sh/425</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; sh/dx</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; even if not logged in, simply sending them as UI</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; frames.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; Results:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; a) less traffic on air</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; b) users logged only if necessary</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; c) flexibility to use local qrg for dx-cluster</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; monitor</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; thanks to all and 73s de Leo, IZ5FSA</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:29:02 +0000 (GMT Standard</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; Time)</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Eric Carling" &lt;<A href="mailto:eric@g0cgl.f2s.com">eric@g0cgl.f2s.com</A>&gt; wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; His first requirement, to send UI (unproto) frames</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;containing DX spots, WWV</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; and ANN, is done with AGW and a client</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; application,</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;either AGWCluster or</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; UI-Bridge found at</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <A href="http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/addon_agw.htm">http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/addon_agw.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; -------Original Message-------</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: Dirk Koopman</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: 10/27/05 12:45:48</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: Dxspider-Support</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I seem to remember that some people have done</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; something</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;along these</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; lines. Could we discuss it on here please.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Dirk G1TLH</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; -------- Forwarded Message --------</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;From: <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Reply-To: <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk">djk@tobit.co.uk</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: Dx Spot Beacon</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:22:43 +0200</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Dirk,</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I don't want you to loose your time... I have a</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; problem,</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;a</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; question and a (im)possible(?) solution. Please</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; answer</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;to</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; me... every thing you think about it!</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I have my 2mt 1k2b ax25 node access full of</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; access...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;too</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; many ham operators!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I'm looking for a new way of handling protocol</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; between</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; node and clients.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; A new style that admit a very few list of commands</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; to</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;use</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; in unproto mode without logon and that send any</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; dx,</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; announce, WWV or WCY spot not in</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; "node-to-each-connected-station" mode but only in</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; "node-to-all" mode, just like a beacon.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; All stations can send specific strings command</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; (like</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; "sh/qrz g1djk" and few other most used inquiry, DX</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; and</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;ANN</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; command) in unproto message to communicate with</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; the node</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; and have answers by the node.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; All stations will receive dx, announce, WWV or WCY</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; spot</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; not in "node-to-each-connected-station" mode but</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; only in</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; "node-to-all" mode, just like a beacon.</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Packet Clients don't use this way of work if they</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; are</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; connected to a node, but in "earing mode" like the</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; one</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; used by rxcluster it will work... and putting tnc</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; in</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; converse mode permit to work in this new way!</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; I think it will be a good way to use</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; frequencies...</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think about?</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 73s de Leo, IZ5FSA</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; --</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Dirk Koopman &lt;<A href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk">djk@tobit.co.uk</A>&gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; Dxspider-support mailing list</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; <A href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; <A href="http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; Dxspider-support mailing list</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt; <A href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>&gt; &gt;</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; <A href="http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</A></DIV>
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<DIV>&gt; _______________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; Dxspider-support mailing list</DIV>
<DIV>&gt; <A href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A></DIV>
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