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<DIV>what about the more fundamental problem that UI frames cannot be directed to a specific station (ie the cluster) and hence any commands contained therein will be ignored?</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:bob.applegate@ulticom.com">Bob Applegate</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Date:</B></I> 10/27/05 15:27:55</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:N8DCJ@yahoo.com">N8DCJ@yahoo.com</A>; <A href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">The DXSpider Support list</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>This would be a nice feature. Most users simply suck spots off the cluster</DIV>
<DIV>anyway, so it would reduce the amount of traffic (ACKs) on the frequency</DIV>
<DIV>while still allowing them to contribute.</DIV>
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<DIV>Since you're not connected, how would a command like "sh/dx" work? It's</DIV>
<DIV>a UI still, right? That means everyone gets flooded with the results of</DIV>
<DIV>each</DIV>
<DIV>others' requests. I'd suggest limiting the available commands that</DIV>
<DIV>unconnected</DIV>
<DIV>users can do, such as allowing spots, announce messages, etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob - K2UT</DIV>
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<DIV>From: "Dan Bookwalter" <<A href="mailto:n8dcj@yahoo.com">n8dcj@yahoo.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A>>; "The DXSpider Support list"</DIV>
<DIV><<A href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:10 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV>
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<DIV>> this doesnt seem to be too hard to accomplish on the</DIV>
<DIV>> surface... then again i am not the programmer ;-)</DIV>
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<DIV>> the only issue i see is that since you are not</DIV>
<DIV>> "connected" your command may/will get lost at times</DIV>
<DIV>> and you would have to resend the sh/dx or whatever...</DIV>
<DIV>> i do something like this at work with UDP packets</DIV>
<DIV>> between a couple of applications...</DIV>
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<DIV>> Dan N8DCJ</DIV>
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<DIV>> --- <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>> > I have a Linux server to manage the fle(X)net node</DIV>
<DIV>> > and the</DIV>
<DIV>> > spider, so no AGW and UI-Bridge capabilities.</DIV>
<DIV>> > However this</DIV>
<DIV>> > is a good idea to beacon spots.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > But I don't want just to beacon spots.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Listen to me, guys...</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > 1) I need a beacon function that allow node "to</DIV>
<DIV>> > beacon" UI</DIV>
<DIV>> > spots on a certain ax25 port</DIV>
<DIV>> > so listeners (clients) can ear spots (1 spot send by</DIV>
<DIV>> > node</DIV>
<DIV>> > serve all clients once).</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > 2) I want a new "protocol" connection between node</DIV>
<DIV>> > and</DIV>
<DIV>> > clients with "no protocol", as UI packet. When I am</DIV>
<DIV>> > on the</DIV>
<DIV>> > frequency, I put my tnc in converse mode and I want</DIV>
<DIV>> > the</DIV>
<DIV>> > node recognize me as registered user "on demand"</DIV>
<DIV>> > without</DIV>
<DIV>> > logging in, when I send him a command as UI packet.</DIV>
<DIV>> > I need</DIV>
<DIV>> > a function that allow me to use the commands, for</DIV>
<DIV>> > example:</DIV>
<DIV>> > sh/qrz</DIV>
<DIV>> > sh/usdb</DIV>
<DIV>> > sh/425</DIV>
<DIV>> > sh/dx</DIV>
<DIV>> > even if not logged in, simply sending them as UI</DIV>
<DIV>> > frames.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Results:</DIV>
<DIV>> > a) less traffic on air</DIV>
<DIV>> > b) users logged only if necessary</DIV>
<DIV>> > c) flexibility to use local qrg for dx-cluster</DIV>
<DIV>> > monitor</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > thanks to all and 73s de Leo, IZ5FSA</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:29:02 +0000 (GMT Standard</DIV>
<DIV>> > Time)</DIV>
<DIV>> > "Eric Carling" <<A href="mailto:eric@g0cgl.f2s.com">eric@g0cgl.f2s.com</A>> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>> > > His first requirement, to send UI (unproto) frames</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > >containing DX spots, WWV</DIV>
<DIV>> > > and ANN, is done with AGW and a client</DIV>
<DIV>> > application,</DIV>
<DIV>> > >either AGWCluster or</DIV>
<DIV>> > > UI-Bridge found at</DIV>
<DIV>> > > <A href="http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/addon_agw.htm">http://www.apritch.myby.co.uk/addon_agw.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > -------Original Message-------</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > >From: Dirk Koopman</DIV>
<DIV>> > > Date: 10/27/05 12:45:48</DIV>
<DIV>> > > To: Dxspider-Support</DIV>
<DIV>> > > Subject: [Dxspider-support] [Fwd: Dx Spot Beacon]</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > I seem to remember that some people have done</DIV>
<DIV>> > something</DIV>
<DIV>> > >along these</DIV>
<DIV>> > > lines. Could we discuss it on here please.</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > Dirk G1TLH</DIV>
<DIV>> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------</DIV>
<DIV>> > >From: <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A></DIV>
<DIV>> > > Reply-To: <A href="mailto:iz5fsa@tele2.it">iz5fsa@tele2.it</A></DIV>
<DIV>> > > To: <A href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk">djk@tobit.co.uk</A></DIV>
<DIV>> > > Subject: Dx Spot Beacon</DIV>
<DIV>> > > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:22:43 +0200</DIV>
<DIV>> > > Hi Dirk,</DIV>
<DIV>> > > I don't want you to loose your time... I have a</DIV>
<DIV>> > problem,</DIV>
<DIV>> > >a</DIV>
<DIV>> > > question and a (im)possible(?) solution. Please</DIV>
<DIV>> > answer</DIV>
<DIV>> > >to</DIV>
<DIV>> > > me... every thing you think about it!</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > I have my 2mt 1k2b ax25 node access full of</DIV>
<DIV>> > access...</DIV>
<DIV>> > >too</DIV>
<DIV>> > > many ham operators!!!</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > I'm looking for a new way of handling protocol</DIV>
<DIV>> > between</DIV>
<DIV>> > > node and clients.</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > A new style that admit a very few list of commands</DIV>
<DIV>> > to</DIV>
<DIV>> > >use</DIV>
<DIV>> > > in unproto mode without logon and that send any</DIV>
<DIV>> > dx,</DIV>
<DIV>> > > announce, WWV or WCY spot not in</DIV>
<DIV>> > > "node-to-each-connected-station" mode but only in</DIV>
<DIV>> > > "node-to-all" mode, just like a beacon.</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > All stations can send specific strings command</DIV>
<DIV>> > (like</DIV>
<DIV>> > > "sh/qrz g1djk" and few other most used inquiry, DX</DIV>
<DIV>> > and</DIV>
<DIV>> > >ANN</DIV>
<DIV>> > > command) in unproto message to communicate with</DIV>
<DIV>> > the node</DIV>
<DIV>> > > and have answers by the node.</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > All stations will receive dx, announce, WWV or WCY</DIV>
<DIV>> > spot</DIV>
<DIV>> > > not in "node-to-each-connected-station" mode but</DIV>
<DIV>> > only in</DIV>
<DIV>> > > "node-to-all" mode, just like a beacon.</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > Packet Clients don't use this way of work if they</DIV>
<DIV>> > are</DIV>
<DIV>> > > connected to a node, but in "earing mode" like the</DIV>
<DIV>> > one</DIV>
<DIV>> > > used by rxcluster it will work... and putting tnc</DIV>
<DIV>> > in</DIV>
<DIV>> > > converse mode permit to work in this new way!</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > I think it will be a good way to use</DIV>
<DIV>> > frequencies...</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > What do you think about?</DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > 73s de Leo, IZ5FSA</DIV>
<DIV>> > > --</DIV>
<DIV>> > > Dirk Koopman <<A href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk">djk@tobit.co.uk</A>></DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > ></DIV>
<DIV>> > > _______________________________________________</DIV>
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<DIV>> > > <A href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A></DIV>
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