You don't see idiots logging in under stupid callsigns and sending abusive announces or stupis spots?<div><br></div><div>73 Ian<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/10/25 Anthony(N2KI) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:n2ki@amsat.org">n2ki@amsat.org</a>></span><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ian Maude<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Sunday, October
25, 2009</span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> </span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">1:35 PM</span></font><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"><br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Dxspider-support]
Discussion set/register set/password</span></font></p>
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both the clusters I admin. I do not have a mandatory password policy as
it only counts for the one cluster anyway. It is also a LOT of work for
the sysop. Please do consider registration though as it really does help
the network. I feel this will become more and more important in the years
to come and we need to get ahead of it now!</span></font></p>
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possible to export a list of registered users please in case of crash etc?
It would be a really useful addition.</span></font></p>
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Ian J Maude, G0VGS<br>
SysOp GB7MBC & HB9DRV-9 DX Clusters<br>
Member RSGB, GQRP 9838, FISTS 14077 | K3 #455<br>
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Carlotto, IK5ZUK <<a href="mailto:ik5zuk@tiscali.it" target="_blank">ik5zuk@tiscali.it</a>></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Wolfram, hi all.<br>
I'm totally agree with you, Wolfram.<br>
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In order to discourage any improper use, at my cluster I've enabled the
registration (set/var $main::regreq = 1) and for any registered call I've set
(manually) a password. This is the better way, IMHO, because my node is open
for everybody via internet in "passive" mode, and to become active is
needed the registration by the sysop and a password.<br>
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It should be nice to share the password database using a new PC protocol sting,
but this solution hasn't an high level security.<br>
Another solution may be to have a remote password database, stored in one (two
or three for redundancy) server reachable via internet, so that spider can
aks/verify to those servers the password for the user's connection... but in
this way if the servers are not reachable, the cluster network became unopened
to any connection.<br>
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Another problem to this question, is that today we can see in our network some
spider nodes still running a very old release... and it is very important that
all nodes, with no exceptions, runs a new release and with the same policy !<br>
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Here in Italy we have a Yahoo! group (<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/retedxcitalia" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/retedxcitalia</a>)
in order to coordinate the job for all the italian sysops, but I must
admit that we have discussed this problem some times and since today we haven't
obtained a single policy to apply to our cluster nodes, due to diverging
opinions... And we are only a little number in comparison to the total cluster
nodes spreaded across the world !<br>
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Dirk, please, could you tell us your opinion ?!?<br>
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73 de Luigi, ik5zuk</span></font></p>
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at the last time are more and more "black-user" (improper use) in the<br>
cluster-net with any spam and false spots...<br>
Badspotter, badwords or badnodes are a posssibility. But the calls are<br>
imaginative or they use simple a existing call....<br>
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The problem is that the clusternet via internet is open for everybody and<br>
nobody have control for the calls. I dont want to deny the access
for the<br>
user to read the spots - but there has to be a simple control for the spotter.<br>
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set/password is no the solution. You get a question for the password and if<br>
you have not set a password you can log in with "ENTER" and have all<br>
functions. If you set a password it is local to this cluster and there are<br>
still about 400 cluster without password for you (better - or worse - for the<br>
blacks..)<br>
(a possibility can be - forwarding for the passwords - the most clusters are<br>
dxspider - is it possible to do it Dirk?)<br>
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With "register on" it is possible to read all clusterinformation. No
spots and<br>
no ann are possible to send. Only send a mail to sysop....<br>
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I have now set at db0erf-5:<br>
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set/var $main::regreq = 1<br>
set/var $main::passwdreq = 1<br>
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I think if more (best all) sysop take these regulations we have less
trouble....<br>
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73 from Erfurt de Wolfram DL3AMi</span></font></p>
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