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<DIV>Ok you didnt' say it was simple to do. You said .". and we can deal
with it very easily. It takes seconds to do." Is there a
difference?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After I stated </DIV>
<DIV>"Some abusers have fixed IPs and have been putting out bogus spots for
years...."</DIV>
<DIV>you ask me to tell you who they are. I did. Now you tell me
they didn't come from your node. And that's the end of your comment about
the problem. Not your problem, nothing more you want to
say about it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We are all in this together and need to work together, each one of us doing
what we can. Sure others stop bad spots. We all do what we
can. The cleaner the network, the better off we all are.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>However, you and other sysops keep trying to stop me from doing what I can
with comments like </DIV>
<DIV>"However, using IP addresses to stop the problem is a complete waste of
time and will cause more problems with disgruntled users than it
solves" I doubt that it is waisting anyone's time except mine.
Why would users be disgruntled? Because they got caught maybe?
Otherwise, what have they to complain about?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>I am not asking you to drop YOUR spots by looking at IP
addresses. Why do you care if I see what your IP addresses your user spots
come from. Maybe I might find something.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>I found bogus spots on DX Summit and found a user connected to my cluster
from the same IP address. He always behaved on my cluster and always used
other calls when on DX Summit. I have found exactly the same thing
happening on another CC Cluster. The bad user on the other CC Cluster had
been booted from a Spider cluster after I told the Spider sysop that there was
spotting abuse on his Spider node. He then moved to a CC Cluster.
After he got booted from the CC Cluster he disappeared. I doubt that he
changed his ways. He is probably hiding somewhere else.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lee</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ian@gb7mbc.net href="mailto:ian@gb7mbc.net">Ian Maude</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=dxspider-support@dxcluster.org
href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">The DXSpider Support list</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:59
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dxspider-support] ROS
Mode</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I never said that Lee and personal insults do not wash with
me. You have not read my previous post at all. You shout and
scream but apart from blaming other sysops you have had nothing positive to
say at all. You claim to be trying to help the network but you are being
diversive and personally insulting. I don't see what that
achieves. I actually do care very much about the network and try to
protect it as much as I can. I can also debate without resorting to
personal jibes :)<BR><BR>73 Ian (an Oak btw)<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 16 June 2010 23:54, Lee Sawkins <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:ve7cc@shaw.ca">ve7cc@shaw.ca</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I sometimes think I am talking to a
tree.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You are one of the sysops I mentioned a few
messages back.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>If it doesn't come from your node you could
care less about it. Bogus etc who cares.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This spot didn't show up on my node. My
users are happy. Your users get the crap.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV><FONT color=#888888>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Lee</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ian@gb7mbc.net href="mailto:ian@gb7mbc.net" target=_blank>Ian
Maude</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=dxspider-support@dxcluster.org
href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target=_blank>The DXSpider
Support list</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dxspider-support] ROS
Mode</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>As I said, it does not come from my node.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 16 June 2010 23:36, Lee Sawkins <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:ve7cc@shaw.ca"
target=_blank>ve7cc@shaw.ca</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You talk a good talk, but the results speak
for themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I mentioned BX5AA putting out bogus spots a
while back. When I connect to your cluster I see the
following spot</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2
face=Arial><BR>CC11^14257.0^BX5AA^13-Jun-2010^1136Z^^N0JH^9^226^K1TTT-14^44^24^7^4^^CO^Taiwan-BV^CO-Colorado-K^PL04^</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>This spot is bogus. It came from
Taiwan. From the same IP that BX5AA uses to put out
spots.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>You say its simple to fix. Fix it
please.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Lee</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B> <A
title=ian@gb7mbc.net href="mailto:ian@gb7mbc.net" target=_blank>Ian
Maude</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=dxspider-support@dxcluster.org
href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target=_blank>The
DXSpider Support list</A> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 16, 2010
2:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Dxspider-support]
ROS Mode</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>On 16 June 2010 21:55, Lee Sawkins <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:ve7cc@shaw.ca" target=_blank>ve7cc@shaw.ca</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><BR>So what are the callsigns
involved? Tell us and we can deal with it very easily.
It takes seconds to do. Trying to regulate the cluster with a
stick is not the way forward. What we need is education.
I try to help my users and explain to them why correct procedure is
important. If I were to spot any wrongdoings from either of my
clusters I would take a very dim view indeed of it and would have
words with the person involved. I take my responsibilities as
a sysop very seriously.<BR><FONT size=2
face=Arial> </FONT><BR><BR></DIV>73 Ian<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>Lee
<DIV><BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Chalmas"
<<A href="mailto:rcbza10@hb9bza.net"
target=_blank>rcbza10@hb9bza.net</A>><BR></DIV>To: "The DXSpider
Support list" <<A href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org"
target=_blank>dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</A>><BR>Sent:
Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:54 PM
<DIV><BR>Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] ROS Mode<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>as list of abuser's IP addresses and drop
their spots no matter where<BR>they came
from.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, what do you do with dynamic IP
addresses?<BR><BR>On my side, my IP address on the WAN side is
forced to a new value after a maximum of 20 hours and this is the
same with all ADSL (and cable? not 100% sure) users in my country
(and many others I believe, with just a different time interval),
except a few ones who agree to pay an extra fee for a fixed IP
address.<BR><BR>Even worse, if I would misbehave right now and you
would put me on your IP addresses blacklist, my current address
could be reattributed tomorrow to an honest user who would be
blocked without having done anything wrong. And I would be able to
continue "cluster spamming" with my new
address!<BR><BR>73's<BR><BR>Robert - HB9BZA<BR><BR>-- <BR>Robert
CHALMAS, PO Box 1225, CH-1227 Carouge/GE, SWITZERLAND<BR>Free
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