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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If self-spotting is considered to be “unethical” during contests, it is not up to the sysop to make that determination as to how the self-spotter is employing it. That would be solely in the hands of the contester. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If a sysop considers it to be an annoyance and not something he or she wants to have on their node, it could be turned off as a function of that node solely. The same way we can turn on and off user registration. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So, if Dirk can add the code to be able to address self-spotting, it will placate both sides.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Anthony - N2KI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> www.n2ki.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org [mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary - K7EK<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> dxspider-support@dxcluster.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Dxspider-support Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would suggest that the issue of self spotting be solved by enhancements to the individual filtering options in each dx node. Thus each station can tailor what he/she sees or does not see on an individual basis. I don't think adding a lot of extra code to the spider program would for a blanket banning of self spots would be a good idea. How hard can it be to enhance the filtering portion of the node to accomplish this? The result would be that there would be no blanket banning of self-spots, which do indeed have their place. This would leave it to the individual to tailor what they desire to see without trashing the node for everyone else. Just my two cents worth. DX node authors?<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Gary, K7EK<br>K7EK-1 DX Spider Node<br>W7JD-2 CC Cluster Node<br><br>---<br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:00 AM, <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-request@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-request@dxcluster.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Send Dxspider-support mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:dxspider-support-request@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-request@dxcluster.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:dxspider-support-owner@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-owner@dxcluster.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Dxspider-support digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: R: Re: Self Spotting (Dana Rawding)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:02:02 -0500<br>From: Dana Rawding <<a href="mailto:dana@rawding.com" target="_blank">dana@rawding.com</a>><br>To: The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] R: Re: Self Spotting<br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:546E61D2-8FBA-4120-92B5-4C26175EC857@rawding.com" target="_blank">546E61D2-8FBA-4120-92B5-4C26175EC857@rawding.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>Not a bad idea but maybe it also need to be switchable by band or at least only apply to HF. I would never turn it on if it was going to prevent self spotting on VHF or up.<br><br>Dana<br>N1OFZ<br><br>On Jan 17, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Robert Chalmas wrote:<br><br>> This is a very controversial topic which was already discussed a few times on this list.<br>><br>> Obviously, there is no chance we (and our users too) all agree on this.<br>><br>> On my side, I really hate "self spots", "friend spots", "my club spots", and similar. I've been modifying the code of DXSpider for many years (starting 2003) to get rid of what I consider as a nuisance on my node HB9IAC-8. Not a complex job, just 4 lines to add at the right place to the /spider/perl/DXProtHandle.pm file (but to do again after each upgrade), and all "self spots" disappear...not optimal, but the easiest to do...<br>><br>> Several other sysops asked me for this "forbidden" code, one of them being so discouraged that he was seriously thinking about stopping his node if he could find no solution to this problem.<br>><br>> I strongly encourage Dirk to add a switch which would enable each user to choose if he wants to receive "self spots" or not, with a command like (un)set/selfspots. This seems me a reasonable compromise which would for sure be ethically better then a full censorship decided by the sysop alone.<br>><br>> 73's<br>><br>> Robert - HB9BZA<br>><br>> --<br>> Robert CHALMAS, PO Box 1225, CH-1227 Carouge/GE, SWITZERLAND<br>> Free DX-Cluster client RXCLUS: <a href="http://www.hb9bza.net/rxclus" target="_blank">http://www.hb9bza.net/rxclus</a><br>> Unofficial LoTW users list: <a href="http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw" target="_blank">http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw</a><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Dxspider-support mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a><br>> <a href="http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">http://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br><br><br>End of Dxspider-support Digest, Vol 96, Issue 8<br>***********************************************<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Best regards,<br><br>Gary E. Kohtala - K7EK / AFF0WA / AFA0IU / AFE0DM<br><br>Personal Web Page: www dot k7ek dot net<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>