<div dir="ltr">Hi Mike,<div>I can’t see how you could know the mode. If you are expecting the users to populate the field, I suspect you are fighting an uphill battle :)</div><div><br></div><div>73 Ian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 January 2014 20:40, Michael Carper <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@wa9pie.net" target="_blank">mike@wa9pie.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I agree. It would be nice to pull everyone onto the same page. But I suspect that has been tried previously with limited success.<div><br></div><div>I also recognize that you (Lee) and Dirk have done a good job of collaborating and both CC Cluster and DX Spider are very predictable in many ways.</div>
<div><br></div><div>But unless the mode is consistently in a specific field, there's almost no way to match it. (Unless we skim the entire comment field for matching characters. But I'm not sure that's going to capture very many.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>The ADIF standard isn't great in many regards, but modes are defined there. So a user may type JT in the comment field, but there are 5 different JT modes. Maybe that's trivial.</div><div><br>
</div><div>But I'm quite certain of one thing...</div><div><br></div><div>If the clusters would propagate the spot with MODE in the 21st field, HRD would sure as heck make sure that MODE was sent in each and every spot on a consistent basis, We'd read it right off the radio or from the QSO screen.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Mike, WA9PIE</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Lee Sawkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ve7cc@shaw.ca" target="_blank">ve7cc@shaw.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Mike</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">The real problem is that there are no
"official" standards for DX Cluster software. What is needed is
a group to get together and agree on what these standards should be.
Then all the software writers need to follow these standards.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">You will find there is quite a bit of
compatibility between DX Spider and CC Cluster as Dirk and I have worked
together to do this. AR Cluster versions 4 and 6 are not even
compatible with each other, let alone anything else.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Many spotters, especially for data modes, put the
mode as the first word of the comments. My node software reformats
Skimmer spots to put the mode as the first word in the comments
field. In my opinion this is the best solution at the present
time. This format is both human and machine readable.
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<div><font face="Arial">Lee </font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4"><b>From:</b>
<a title="mike@wa9pie.net" href="mailto:mike@wa9pie.net" target="_blank">Michael G. Carper</a>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">'The DXSpider Support list'</a>
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</div><div><div><div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:04
AM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Adding
^mode^?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Right.
I’m referring to mode. Here’s what’s happening… and I don’t think it’s
unique to Ham Radio Deluxe (other loggers would have the same
problem).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Currently,
loggers look at the frequency of the spot and try to estimate “mode”.
This is done by looking up the spotted frequency in the “band plan”… then
displaying a mode as determined by the frequency of the spot with regards to
the band plan.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">For
CW and phone, this works pretty well. There’s nothing but CW at 7.005
MHz… and you hear phone at 14.200.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">But
for digital modes, it’s almost impossible to determine the mode from the
frequency. We (hams) don’t stick to the band plan very well, and there’s
a pretty broad area where various digital modes are used. Further,
during a CW contest (for example), the activity often spreads up into the
digital area of the band (above 7.035, let’s say) and the matter gets
worse.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">So…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
noticed that VE7CC had extended CC11 to add five fields. While DX Spider
has a 20 field CC11 string… CC Cluster has a 25 field string, with the
21<sup>st</sup> one unused.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">My
proposal is to use the 21<sup>st</sup> field for mode.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">The
<u>mode</u> would be supplied by the user (just as call, frequency, time,
date, and comment; typically via software). If the 21<sup>st</sup> field
is blank (user does not supply it), then that’s fine… it can be ignored, as if
the comment field were blank.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">That’s
my proposal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Mike,
WA9PIE<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@dxcluster.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lee
Sawkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:17 AM<br><b>To:</b> The
DXSpider Support list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Adding
^mode^?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">By rarely accurate
do you mean there is a problem with the mode?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Where is the info
required to populate this field going to come
from?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';FONT-SIZE:10pt">Lee</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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[Dxspider-support] Adding ^mode^?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the problems that we (at HRD Software) face is
that digital modes are rarely accurate in the spots. (PSK31,
Contestia, Olivia, MFSK... and so on) <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My question is...<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it possible to extend CC11 by adding a field at the
end for "mode"?<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike, WA9PIE<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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