[Dxspider-support] Windows telnet help

Wed May 4 20:13:44 BST 2016

Finally, I "resolved" the problem of telnet not working.

It was that my provider has blocked almost all ports and when I asked
them to open 7300 for me they did it. However, my trying after that gave
no result again as during telnet log ins from the Internet I was
actually and constantly asked to log in to the Micro Tick wi-fi router
put on my house by provider and not the actual machine that has Spider
active on it... It was more interesting that Spider also detected log in
try out but always left it to time run out.. Damned! It also turned out
that Micro tick router is changing IP every two days and even if no-ip
site is following fine still every time it changes it close all ports
again so I have to ask provider to open port again... so this is not
good provider for these experimenting and I am forces to find another
place to put it on...

While I am in progress of finding a new place i.e. with different (and
DSL, not wi-fi) provider, can you tell me>
the procedure how to connect to some other node after that to get and
send dx spots... I've red that I have to negotiate this connection with
some one and that so I understand but what then? Do I have to create new
file in local folder and what kind and name and what it has to have
inside...
> Is there some server that makes this process less painful (no special
arrangements with sysop i.e. "open access")

Hopefully I will connect the spider to DSL provider soon enough before
my interest is "still there" :-)

Thanks again.. 73

Srdjan, E78CB

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> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:48:25 +0200
> From: "Srdjan, E78CB" <e78cb at teol.net>
> To: dxspider-support at dxcluster.org
> Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] Windows telnet help
> Message-ID: <57249B89.3010703 at teol.net>
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> Hello, Dirk and thanks for the answer.
>
> As this is an old machine (Pentium II class) and has clean instillation
> of Win Xp Sp3 on it, so I choose to give it a try. Concerning the Linux
> I will try that some other time as I have less experience with it (I
> done some experiments with Puppy, mint, zorin but that is the other
> topic..).
>
> Back to the point.
> I checked again in my router settings and I think I have done all right:
> forwarding of port 7300 in and out (I will not use 23 as you sad I
> agree), even put the machine's local  ip on special Zone (to be allowed
> all traffic), but still I can not connect from the outside. I assume
> this is provider blocking this and many other ports so I will wait for
> Monday to ask them to open it for me, than I will try and see what happens.
>
> P.S. Would it be easier to do all this in, let's say, Puppy Linux.. or
> some other.. if that is not to much to ask.. thanks.
>
> 73, Srdjan e78cb
> ....................................
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:42:05 +0100
> From: Dirk Koopman<djk at tobit.co.uk>
> To: The DXSpider Support list<dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
> Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] Windows telnet help
> Message-ID:<5721F70D.5060609 at tobit.co.uk>
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>
> Srdjan
>
> The short answer might be "don't use Windows" coupled with "don't
> connect an old and unsupported operating system that is known to be full
> of holes to the internet".
>
> But if you insist on using WIndows XP, here are some questions:
>
> 1. Is your node on the "inside" leg of a NATing router (probably with a
> 192.168.x.y address)? From your description and the use of ddns.net I
> would guess the answer is yes.
> 2. Have you created a "pinhole" or reverse NAT entry in router so that
> user can connect to port 7300 on the outside of your router and then
> have the router connect to your node?
>
> And a statement:
>
> As an author, I*STRONGLY*  discourage the use of port 23. You should be
> aware of the security implications of running software on ports below
> 1024: it means that the software must run with root or Administrator
> privileges (hence the error messages on startup). Telnet is not just a
> program, but it also has a protocol associated with it when it connects
> to the "telnet" port of 23. DXSpider does not support that protocol,
> even though using port 23 will probably work apart from some spurious
> binary characters that may appear on login.
>
> I think you will find that the problem is with the setup of your router
> and and not your provider. Furthermore that probably means that your
> router is accepting connections from the internet on port 23, which is a
> security risk all by itself.
>
> 73 Dirk G1TLH
>
> On 28/04/16 07:53,e78cb at teol.net  wrote:
>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I am trying to start packet and telnet cluster with Spider (think it
>> is v1.55) and I passed installation process in WinXP using strawberry
>> pearl. Cluster starts fine and connection with AGW UZ7 sound modem is
>> working fine and I connect to cluster via RF and (also telnet from
>> localhost) successfully and with no problem. I can leave and check for
>> messages and etc... This so is working fine.
>>
>> Now, I want to enable telnet access from the Internet and connect it
>> with another node to start receiving spots. I opened no-ip account
>> e79ztb.ddns.net on port 23 that is active on PC. The port is visible
>> form the Internet. BUT, I just can not access by telnet via Internet.
>> I first tried port 7300 but it is closed (probably by my provider) but
>> 23 is open so I use this one. When I connect from the "other side"
>> using PUttY or whatever it looks like connected but screen is blank
>> and nothing happens, after wile connection is "timed out".
>>
>> In local/Listeners file I put ("0.0.0.0." 23) according to manual I
>> thought this would work... but not.
>>
>> Yesterday I notices that when starting cluster.pl the system is
>> started but it says something like "bad misconduct in file cluster.pl
>> in line 174 and 149" and something else with same idea. This is not
>> exactly like it as I pull it from my memory..
>>
>> What I want was enabling ax25 "message server" (which I managed) but
>> it would bi nice if it could also deliver spots as it is supposed to
>> do, but first I have to deal with Internet access.
>>
>> Please tell me what I am doing wrong, I hope to resolve this, I
>> suppose one problem at the time...
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>> Srdjan, e78cb
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> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:47:58 -0500
> From: "Michael Carper, Ph.D." <mike at wa9pie.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] Windows telnet help
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> FWIW... I've got a laptop that I bought used in 2004... I think it had
> Windows XP on it... but I've since loaded Windows 7... and now Windows 10
> on it... and it runs better with either than with Windows XP.
>
> I've never been able to figure out why folks hang on to XP... unless
> they've got a free copy of it and don't want to buy a more recent license
> of the OS.
>
> Mike, WA9PIE
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:48 AM, Srdjan, E78CB <e78cb at teol.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello, Dirk and thanks for the answer.
>>
>> As this is an old machine (Pentium II class) and has clean instillation of
>> Win Xp Sp3 on it, so I choose to give it a try. Concerning the Linux I will
>> try that some other time as I have less experience with it (I done some
>> experiments with Puppy, mint, zorin but that is the other topic..).
>>
>> Back to the point.
>> I checked again in my router settings and I think I have done all right:
>> forwarding of port 7300 in and out (I will not use 23 as you sad I agree),
>> even put the machine's local  ip on special Zone (to be allowed all
>> traffic), but still I can not connect from the outside. I assume this is
>> provider blocking this and many other ports so I will wait for Monday to
>> ask them to open it for me, than I will try and see what happens.
>>
>> P.S. Would it be easier to do all this in, let's say, Puppy Linux.. or
>> some other.. if that is not to much to ask.. thanks.
>>
>> 73, Srdjan e78cb
>> ....................................
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:42:05 +0100
>> From: Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk> <djk at tobit.co.uk>
>> To: The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org> <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] Windows telnet help
>> Message-ID: <5721F70D.5060609 at tobit.co.uk> <5721F70D.5060609 at tobit.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> Srdjan
>>
>> The short answer might be "don't use Windows" coupled with "don't
>> connect an old and unsupported operating system that is known to be full
>> of holes to the internet".
>>
>> But if you insist on using WIndows XP, here are some questions:
>>
>> 1. Is your node on the "inside" leg of a NATing router (probably with a
>> 192.168.x.y address)? From your description and the use of ddns.net I
>> would guess the answer is yes.
>> 2. Have you created a "pinhole" or reverse NAT entry in router so that
>> user can connect to port 7300 on the outside of your router and then
>> have the router connect to your node?
>>
>> And a statement:
>>
>> As an author, I **STRONGLY** discourage the use of port 23. You should be
>> aware of the security implications of running software on ports below
>> 1024: it means that the software must run with root or Administrator
>> privileges (hence the error messages on startup). Telnet is not just a
>> program, but it also has a protocol associated with it when it connects
>> to the "telnet" port of 23. DXSpider does not support that protocol,
>> even though using port 23 will probably work apart from some spurious
>> binary characters that may appear on login.
>>
>> I think you will find that the problem is with the setup of your router
>> and and not your provider. Furthermore that probably means that your
>> router is accepting connections from the internet on port 23, which is a
>> security risk all by itself.
>>
>> 73 Dirk G1TLH
>>
>> On 28/04/16 07:53, e78cb at teol.net wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I am trying to start packet and telnet cluster with Spider (think it
>> is v1.55) and I passed installation process in WinXP using strawberry
>> pearl. Cluster starts fine and connection with AGW UZ7 sound modem is
>> working fine and I connect to cluster via RF and (also telnet from
>> localhost) successfully and with no problem. I can leave and check for
>> messages and etc... This so is working fine.
>>
>> Now, I want to enable telnet access from the Internet and connect it
>> with another node to start receiving spots. I opened no-ip account e79ztb.ddns.net on port 23 that is active on PC. The port is visible
>> form the Internet. BUT, I just can not access by telnet via Internet.
>> I first tried port 7300 but it is closed (probably by my provider) but
>> 23 is open so I use this one. When I connect from the "other side"
>> using PUttY or whatever it looks like connected but screen is blank
>> and nothing happens, after wile connection is "timed out".
>>
>> In local/Listeners file I put ("0.0.0.0." 23) according to manual I
>> thought this would work... but not.
>>
>> Yesterday I notices that when starting cluster.pl the system is
>> started but it says something like "bad misconduct in file cluster.pl
>> in line 174 and 149" and something else with same idea. This is not
>> exactly like it as I pull it from my memory..
>>
>> What I want was enabling ax25 "message server" (which I managed) but
>> it would bi nice if it could also deliver spots as it is supposed to
>> do, but first I have to deal with Internet access.
>>
>> Please tell me what I am doing wrong, I hope to resolve this, I
>> suppose one problem at the time...
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>>
>> Srdjan, e78cb
>>
>>
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