[Dxspider-support] Network degradation

[David Spoelstra]

I agree with Rudy.

If these are SES stations, then it will be easy to contact them and ask
some questions. Maybe we can learn something that will help us in our
endeavors. Are we 100% certain it's not a weird bug in *our* systems?

Reminds me of HamClock. The torches and pitchforks came out and the initial
reaction from the majority was "ban it". Instead I asked that someone who
understood what was going on to contact the HamClock author and he was
happy to work with us and I haven't heard anyone complain since. I don't
remember who it was that contacted them, but thank you again for taking the
time and allowing a HamClock to peacefully coexist with us.

"Seek first to understand"

BTW, it looks like the email address for the "The 95th anniversary of the
PZK and centennial of the IARU" SES is sp6mi at pzk.org.pl
It looks like their spotting services are coming from "HamAward"
https://hamaward.cloud/
Their QRZ page: https://www.qrz.com/db/SN100IARU where it clearly says the
page is powered by HamAward.
Maybe we should also talk to HamAward since they are now a big player
backed by ICOM, MOMO Beam, WIMO, DX Engineering, and others. I don't think
they are going away anytime soon.
This is also very interesting because HamAward is also the group spotting
the WWA which I believe we have also had issues with.
Maybe, just like with HamClock, someone who can speak at a technical level
about the issues could work with HamAward and maybe we could easily get all
our issues resolved for now and future SES events sponsored by the big
players.
Here's a form to contact them: https://hamaward.cloud/contacts  I'm sure an
email stating that they are about to have all their spots across the entire
DXSpider Network banned might just get their attention...

-David, N9KT


On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 7:15 AM Rudy Bakalov via Dxspider-support <
dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> wrote:

> These are really big words that need support rather than speculations and
> emotions.
>
> Who outside of this reflector is complaining? What is their pain point?
>
> What makes a spot legitimate beyond the obvious call and frequency
> accuracy? Does the world share and understand your definition of? Or you
> assume they do?
>
> Flooded? What percentage of overall traffic are the alleged fraudulent
> spots?
>
> Fraudulent? What makes these spots fraudulent beyond not meeting your
> expectations for their origin? Who’s been defrauded?
>
> A lot of accusations solely based on logs, no interactions with end users
> or the alleged bad guys.
>
> Rudy N2WQ
>
> Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or
> inappropriate autocorrect.
>
>
> > On Feb 27, 2025, at 6:49 AM, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support <
> dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > We all want the same thing, we want to give our users good, reliable,
> trusted spots, they want to provide spots for their users.  Let’s get it
> sorted so they can do it legitimately without flooding the network with
> fraudulently injected spots.
> >
> > 73 Keith G6NHU
>
>
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