[Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication

[Rene Olsen]

The way things are, selfspotting will not be a thing that gets spread across the network any 
time soon.

Even if Dirk releases a build that makes it possible to do selfspots every X seconds, then it will 
take time before nodes gets updated.

Tbh I don't mind self spots to pass through my node, but I want it to be switched off to me 
users per default (like RBN) end then they can turn selfspots on if they want to receive them.

Maybe the contesters should aggree on using maybe 5 nodes, or whatever is apropiate, which 
are configured to actually work with self spots.

If not it will be monts if not more, before such spots can freely propagate through the network.

Just my thoughts.

Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH



On 28 Jan 2025 at 21:59, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-sup wrote:

> Dirk, thanks for the time you´re putting into this, it is appreciated.
> 
> Looking back, when you did the survey into self spotting in March 2023 (I didn´t realise how long ago it was), you said that in the next release, you were going to change the default value of $Spot::minselfspotqrg from 1240000 to $Spot::minselfspotqrg = 0.  I even found the link to the survey :-)
> 
> I think I´d already changed mine down to 0 so I can´t check, but did that happen?
> 
> Personally, I don´t think we´ll see a deluge of spots - I know I had a handful of people sending them from my node during AFS but I did some checks afterwards and only a very small number of my partner nodes appeared to accept them anyway so unless we all do the same thing, this regular self spotting won´t really achieve much.  For this reason, I enuinely tink that the default should be on rather than off.
> 
> 73 Keith.
> On 28 Jan 2025 at 21:36 +0000, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> > It was 2:30 hours :-(.
> > The problem is not a simple one to fix as the minselfspotqrg value is only applied to new dx spot entry on the local machine. $Spot::dupage is effective over all spots, whether locally generated or coming in via links from other nodes, so that is the value to change to taste. One way users have to get around it is to QSY (enough) a lot :-)
> > Personally, if I had my way, I would track the number of self spots / hour and disconnect any user exceeding that value and (maybe) even impose of some minutes before they were allowed to reconnect. But then I am not a contester nor DXer, so what do I know :-).
> > However, I do know a few experts (some running specially configured local nodes) that, I suspect, will not welcome the deluge of self spots that are allegedly going to appear.
> > Equally, this may all be a storm in a tea cup as other contest(s/ers) have had self spotting for some time and I am not sure that it has had much impact so far. Especially as I am not changing the default value of minselfspotqrg , each node will have to do that by startup script.
> > 73 Dirk G1TLH
> > On 2025-01-28 19:12, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support wrote:
> > > I thought the default had already been changed after the poll Dirk made some time ago about this.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Jan 2025 at 17:43 +0000, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> > > > Keith,
> > > > Nothing will change if the default variable is retained:
> > > > sh/var $Spot::minselfspotqrg
> > > > $Spot::minselfspotqrg = 1240000     <- 1.2 GHz
> > > > What Dirk is implementing is intended for cases where a sysop chooses to support autospots, but this will always be conditional on the (>)qrg value of the aforementioned variable.
> > > > Spider is flexible enough for us to configure it to suit our needs-or almost ;)
> > > >
> > > > Kin EA3CV
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De: Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> En nombre de Keith via Dxspider-support
> > > > Enviado el: martes, 28 de enero de 2025 18:23
> > > > Para: dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk
> > > > CC: Keith <keithl at lebs.org.uk>
> > > > Asunto: [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dirk
> > > >
> > > > If we must have self-spotting please make it a setting that the node sysop can enable as required i.e. on or off.
> > > >
> > > > It's a shame that the rules have been changed by the RSBGB HF CC and a few operators want us all to fall into line.
> > > >
> > > > I for one will be reluctant to carry out further software updates if I can't choose which goes against all the hard work that Kin has been doing to tidy up the network.
> > > >
> > > > Let them create their own network/software  if they are that desperate for self-spotting.
> > > >
> > > > Best 73 and thanks for all you do with the software.
> > > >
> > > > Keith GU6EFB
> > > >
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