[Dxspider-support] Dxspider-support Digest, Vol 266, Issue 81
Brian Bowers
g0vax67 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 17 17:49:56 GMT 2025
Hi All,
I think leaving the User to decide what they see or don't see is personal preference.
If we give them the tools to filter out what they want....
Maybe,, if people want to see RBN then there should be a few nodes with it enabled, the rest have it disabled..
Just my pennys worth..
Brian GB7VAX
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: FTx autogenerated spots (Keith)
2. Re: FTx autogenerated spots (Kin)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 17:11:02 +0000
From: Keith, G6NHU <g6nhu at me.com>
To: The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots
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I?m with Andy on this, I think it should be something for users to decide whether they show them or not.? ?I want to give my users the choice what they see and not dictate to them.
With one caveat - Node advertising spam announcements which I filter out by having this line in my startup file.??If I could stop forwarding these on, I?d happily do so.
rej/ann node_default input info telnet,cluster,7000,7300,7373,8000,8888,9000,17300,port
73 Keith
On 17 Mar 2025 at 16:44 +0000, g4piq via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> I generally prefer the principle of dropping spots at the user level rather than on the backbone (unless they are at such a rate as to be dangerous). That way the sysio can configure their node to do what's right fir them and their user base - not what someone else further upstream thinks should be right for them. If we don't apply this principle then the spider ends up becoming closer to a full mesh...
>
> 73
>
> Andy, G4PIQ
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> Date: 17/03/2025 15:14 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Rob Roschewsk via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> Cc: Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk>
> Subject: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots
>
> In the spirit of discouraging client programs generating spots automatically when they work something, or for other reasons that make life difficult for sysops and users that don't use digital modes, I have introduced the following system variable: $DXProt::remove_auto_ftx which, as default (in the test branch), is currently set to 1.
>
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? DL2KBX?????? FT4 DM78<>JO30????????????????????????????????????? 14 1415Z? 5
> DX de G0LZX:???? 28074.0? W0JJG??????? FT8 -15dB 1265Hz???????????????????????????????????? 4 1415Z IO83
> DX de CP6UA:???? 24915.0? CP6UA??????? FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf??????????????????????????????? 10 1414Z 10
> DX de G0LZX:???? 28074.0? N9AKR??????? FT8 -13dB from EN61 200Hz??????????????????????????? 4 1414Z IO83
> DX de G0LZX:???? 28074.0? G0JEI??????? FT8 -20dB 520Hz?????????????????????????????????? IO93 1412Z IO83
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? MW7TTA?????? FT4 DM78<>IO73??????????????????????????????????? IO73 1411Z? 5
> DX de IZ0FYO:??? 28180.0? 9Z4Y???????? FT4 JN61og -> FK90??????????????????????????????? FK90 1410Z 15
> DX de IZ1PLH:??? 21076.0? BG0HP??????? FT8 -15 dB from NL59??????????????????????????????? 23 1410Z JN34
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? OT7X???????? FT4 DM78<>JO10????????????????????????????????????? 14 1408Z? 5
> DX de G0LZX:???? 28074.0? CE3SOC?????? FT8 -12dB from FF46 1295Hz??????????????????????? FF46 1408Z IO83
> DX de YC1JEL:??? 28180.0? RA4M???????? FT4 -04dB 2426Hz????????????????????????????????? LO44 1441Z 28
> DX de GM0LIR:??? 24919.0? 6Y7EI??????? FT4 +06dB 1585Hz???????????????????????????????????? 8 1442Z IO85
> DX de G0LZX:???? 28074.0? YC1JEA?????? FT8 -07dB from OI33 671Hz
>
> would become:
>
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? DL2KBX?????? FT4 DM78<>JO30????????????????????????????????????? 14 1415Z? 5
> DX de CP6UA:???? 24915.0? CP6UA??????? FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf??????????????????????????????? 10 1414Z 10
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? MW7TTA?????? FT4 DM78<>IO73??????????????????????????????????? IO73 1411Z? 5
> DX de IZ0FYO:??? 28180.0? 9Z4Y???????? FT4 JN61og -> FK90??????????????????????????????? FK90 1410Z 15
> DX de WA2JQZ:??? 28180.0? OT7X???????? FT4 DM78<>JO10????????????????????????????????????? 14 1408Z? 5
>
> It is, of course, likely that these spots that are left are auto generated too - but at least they provide some useful information. If it is deemed necessary, I can get rid of these as well, together with all the other FTx spots if necessary.
>
> Some people may think this is overkill, but the spot feed is filling up with more and more useless spots, most of which are machine generated. Someone has to take a stand. Now where did I put that wobbly pedestal I bought from the charity shop the other year?
>
> You should be made aware, the place that this is currently done, means that these spots are dropped at the PC11/PC61 protocol level - they won't be passed onward to other nodes... You may not like that... It doesn't have to work this way, it could be a user command. Please see the next paragraph.
>
> Someone was complaining that this list is too quiet. Maybe this will liven it up.
>
> 73 Dirk G1TLH
>
> PS I just got a bit sick of the lack of "normal" v "FTx" spots whilst testing the deduping code so I thought "I know, I've meaning to do this for ages and it's only an extra 8 lines of code and a few comments".
>
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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:24:37 +0100
From: "Kin" <ea3cv at cronux.net>
To: "'The DXSpider Support list'" <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots
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I don't understand Keith, why you leave the user free for the spots, but not for the ann, which represent a very small amount compared to the spots.
Kin EA3CV
De: Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> En nombre de Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support
Enviado el: lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 18:11
Para: The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
CC: Keith, G6NHU <g6nhu at me.com>
Asunto: Re: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots
I?m with Andy on this, I think it should be something for users to decide whether they show them or not. I want to give my users the choice what they see and not dictate to them.
With one caveat - Node advertising spam announcements which I filter out by having this line in my startup file. If I could stop forwarding these on, I?d happily do so.
rej/ann node_default input info telnet,cluster,7000,7300,7373,8000,8888,9000,17300,port
73 Keith
On 17 Mar 2025 at 16:44 +0000, g4piq via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
I generally prefer the principle of dropping spots at the user level rather than on the backbone (unless they are at such a rate as to be dangerous). That way the sysio can configure their node to do what's right fir them and their user base - not what someone else further upstream thinks should be right for them. If we don't apply this principle then the spider ends up becoming closer to a full mesh...
73
Andy, G4PIQ
Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------
From: Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
Date: 17/03/2025 15:14 (GMT+00:00)
To: Rob Roschewsk via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
Cc: Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk>
Subject: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots
In the spirit of discouraging client programs generating spots automatically when they work something, or for other reasons that make life difficult for sysops and users that don't use digital modes, I have introduced the following system variable: $DXProt::remove_auto_ftx which, as default (in the test branch), is currently set to 1.
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5
DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 W0JJG FT8 -15dB 1265Hz 4 1415Z IO83
DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10
DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 N9AKR FT8 -13dB from EN61 200Hz 4 1414Z IO83
DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 G0JEI FT8 -20dB 520Hz IO93 1412Z IO83
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5
DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15
DX de IZ1PLH: 21076.0 BG0HP FT8 -15 dB from NL59 23 1410Z JN34
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5
DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 CE3SOC FT8 -12dB from FF46 1295Hz FF46 1408Z IO83
DX de YC1JEL: 28180.0 RA4M FT4 -04dB 2426Hz LO44 1441Z 28
DX de GM0LIR: 24919.0 6Y7EI FT4 +06dB 1585Hz 8 1442Z IO85
DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 YC1JEA FT8 -07dB from OI33 671Hz
would become:
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5
DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5
DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15
DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5
It is, of course, likely that these spots that are left are auto generated too - but at least they provide some useful information. If it is deemed necessary, I can get rid of these as well, together with all the other FTx spots if necessary.
Some people may think this is overkill, but the spot feed is filling up with more and more useless spots, most of which are machine generated. Someone has to take a stand. Now where did I put that wobbly pedestal I bought from the charity shop the other year?
You should be made aware, the place that this is currently done, means that these spots are dropped at the PC11/PC61 protocol level - they won't be passed onward to other nodes... You may not like that... It doesn't have to work this way, it could be a user command. Please see the next paragraph.
Someone was complaining that this list is too quiet. Maybe this will liven it up.
73 Dirk G1TLH
PS I just got a bit sick of the lack of "normal" v "FTx" spots whilst testing the deduping code so I thought "I know, I've meaning to do this for ages and it's only an extra 8 lines of code and a few comments".
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