[Dxspider-support] Again
Keith, G6NHU
g6nhu at me.com
Sat Mar 22 17:45:32 GMT 2025
I don’t delete stuff very often and I just found the installation of ar-cluster from when I used it, nearly ten years ago. It included an install file and my saved directory from program files from when I last ran it.
So I fired up a Windows box, installed it, copied my install directory over and ran it.
Straight away, it created two connections into other nodes and started showing spots. I removed the connections and enabled an ‘ARC6’ connection that I had setup previously, all that time ago.
I logged onto this node I’d restored and tried to submit a spot. Lo and behold, it was accepted and it appeared on my dxspider a couple of seconds later. Bear in mind that I’ve not run this cluster for nearly ten years and originally I didn’t ask anyone to partner with me, I just set it up.
7074.0 G6NHU 22-Mar-2025 1734Z testing <G6NHU>
Also:
sh/dx origin g6nhu
7074.0 G6NHU 22-Mar-2025 1734Z testing <G6NHU>
I only have very basic logging enabled so I can’t check my debug log to see this spot but perhaps someone else can have a look and see how it was formed.
AR cluster crashes every few minutes and I’ve now shut the PC down anyway but surely this demonstrates why we should be doing what Rene says below (and what I’ve said previously). We need to start disconnecting nodes that are wide open like this.
73 Keith.
On 22 Mar 2025 at 15:40 +0000, Rene Olsen via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I know that we want to try and be backwards compatible, and every node should be able to be
> part of the network.
>
> But at some point we will simply have to to make some minimum requirements for nodes to be
> part of the network.
>
> Node software like you mention, where anyone can just connect as a node partner, and start
> to send data, should simply be banned from the network.
>
> Nodes where any user can just login and start sending spots, should also not be part of the
> network. I am aware that some softwares may have rate settings on users, so thet can't just
> spot like crazy.
>
> I have no personal preference towards any node software, but in my opinion we can't keep
> accepting the lowest possible security level, just to be backwards compatible with 10+ year
> old software, that may even no longer be maintained.
>
> We can try to do all kinds of tricks, and I am sure Dirk is doing his best to combat this. But
> there has to be other solutions, than spending time trying to battle things, that only exsists
> because of old software and poorly maintained nodes.
>
> Just my thougts...
>
> Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH
>
>
> On 22 Mar 2025 at 13:59, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-sup wrote:
>
> > Rene,
> >
> > This is complete and utter speculation and I may be well off the mark.
> >
> > When I set up my first dxcluster, I used some windows software that´s now been out of development for years. I never asked anyone if I could node partner with them (because I didn´t know one was supposed to), I just set up some links to other nodes using the same software and it worked.
> >
> > According to dxcluster.info, there are still over 120 of these older clusters still out there - Could these spots be coming in via one of them?
> >
> > 73 Keith.
> >
> > On 22 Mar 2025 at 13:43 +0000, Rene Olsen via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > Someone must know who is doing this and be covering for them.
> > >
> > > Maybe I am wrong, but to make those false spots, they must be running a cluster and have a
> > > link to a node somewhere in the network.
> > >
> > > Somehow they must have an entry point into the network, where they can then spread their
> > > falsified PC61 frames.
> > >
> > > Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH
> > >
> > >
> > > On 22 Mar 2025 at 13:31, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-sup wrote:
> > >
> > > > Genuine spots are being replicated on false frequencies.
> > > >
> > > > I just worked J35X on 10m FT8 and spotted it, there were around 15 instant repeats of the same spot but on different frequencies. The bottom one is my actual spot.
> > > >
> > > > 73 Keith
> > > >
> > > > 28339.1 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <GI7NKK>
> > > > 1855.2 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <JR8AMF>
> > > > 1865.9 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <ON4ZD>
> > > > 21045.6 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <SP2RTA>
> > > > 3658.7 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <IK0IHA>
> > > > 7053.0 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <WA2ILB>
> > > > 21111.4 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <IK0LYL>
> > > > 1818.3 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <F4JYF>
> > > > 7175.3 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <R6FS>
> > > > 21044.0 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <F4ALP>
> > > > 14173.6 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <IU5RCJ>
> > > > 14308.7 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <PU2OXB>
> > > > 14201.8 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <EA4M>
> > > > 7274.3 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <G4PEN>
> > > > 1877.2 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <WA1BXY>
> > > > 28081.0 J35X 22-Mar-2025 1327Z SFH tnx for new slot <G6NHU>
> > > > On 22 Mar 2025 at 12:30 +0000, Jan via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>, wrote:
> > > > > Its is flooding again
> > > > >
> > > > > 73
> > > > > Jan
> > > > > PA4JJ
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > pa4jj-3 77.174.195.163 port 7388
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