<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>Hi Dirk,</div>
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<div>I cannot and didn't find out how to show the default *OUTPUT* node_filter. I found out that the correct command for displaying the default input node_filter is "<em>sh/filt node_default input</em>". But how can I access the output node_default?</div>
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<div>how do you use special chars for filtering the info/comment field? I wanna use the text foo<bar so I tried escaping with backslash like this:</div>
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<div><em>reject/spots 4 info foo\<bar</em></div>
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<div>but this throws the error "Invalid character in line". Is that somehow possible in ver 1.55?</div>
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<div>thanks in advance and 73</div>
<div>Saki, DD5XX</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 03. Dezember 2020 um 13:29 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support" <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br/>
<b>An:</b> "Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support" <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br/>
<b>Cc:</b> "Dirk Koopman" <djk@tobit.co.uk><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] user_default filter</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="+1">Ah, more explanation required.<br/>
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I was searching for a good word to use for illustrating what is going on. I used 'slot'. This is not the 'slot' in the sense that you mean it.<br/>
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For every thing you can create a filter for, there is a "socket" for input and one for output (the help and user manual try to explain this in more detail). So for example for spots there is 'spotfilter' (output) and 'input_spotfilter' for input. The normal 'acc/spot on hf' that you use, as well as the 'user_default' are both output filters because they filter stuff before the output it to you (the user) <u>from</u> the node. I cannot see why a normal user would ever use an inpiut filter. These are used exclusively to filter unwanted input data / protocol from other nodes <u>into</u> the node.<br/>
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So, with that in mind, when you login as a user, one of the setup things the login process does is to setup all the possible filters (spots, announce, wcy, wwv, rbn etc etc). It checks in the following order (using ladder logic - the first condition that matches sets up the filter 'socket' and the stops looking for more options).<br/>
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1, Has the user set a filter? If so, use that, then exit setup for that filter.<br/>
2, Is there a user_default then use that and exit.<br/>
3. Use no filtering for that thing.<br/>
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So if you do an "acc/spot on hf", you will have created a spot filter file (in /spider/local_data/filters/spots/W1NR.pl), you can read it with an editor - but PLEASE don't modify it (use the acc/* rej/* commands). When you login, that is the spot filter that you will get, regardless of whether a user_default exists or not.<br/>
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If this is NOT the case. then please send me both your personal spot file and also any user_default there might be.<br/>
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73 Dirk G1TLH</font><br/>
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On 02/12/2020 18:43, Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support wrote:</div>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">I think I answered my question. It sets the user_default in the filter1
slot.
On 12/2/2020 1:38 PM, Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Thanks Dirk. So which filter slot is "default"? Sounds like a
logout/login is needed to "override" the user_default if you have no
filters defined when you initially set them?
73 de Mike, W1NR
On 12/2/2020 12:16 PM, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">The code says, in effect:
On user login:
1. Load user filter into filter slot if it exists.
2. Load user default if the filter slot is empty and a user_default
fillter exists.
before sending something, if the filter slot is is set, then filter it
first.
There is a long standing bug which I have not been able to squash where,
sometimes, if you create a filter and that slot is already in use by the
user_default, then the filter may not take for that session. Logging out
and then in again fixes that. Ditto if you delete a filter.
Dirk G1TLH
On 02/12/2020 16:54, Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">I was under the impression that setting a user_default filter could be
over-ridden with user settings. What I am finding is that if a user sets
their own filters with a user_default filter set, I get very broken
filtering results.
Do user_default filters over-ride all others?
73 de Mike, W1NR
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