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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for your input Bjorn, I will let the clever guys work it out
</span><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">😊</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">. I did report the issue I was seeing on the N1MM groups.io, so hopefully they will pick up on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Have a good day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Björn Ekelund via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2022 12:16<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Björn Ekelund <bjorn@ekelund.nu>; Ian Maude <ijmaude@icloud.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Interesting Problem with spots format and N1MM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not counting DXSpider, obviously, this colon has been there since forever. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am on the development team of DXLog and we learned about this inconsistency some time ago <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">by pure accident and after a minor redesign, DXLog has no problem with it <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am sure the N1MM guys can do the same, once they are informed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a logger developer I vote to either include it in all spots or remove it entirely. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is not always there, I see no reason to have it at all. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having semi-random elements in a protocol is just a source of problems. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Björn SM7IUN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Den sön 23 jan. 2022 kl 09:10 skrev Ian Maude via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my point of view, the DXCluster has to keep pace with the times. RBN is a prime example. There is only so much space on a line and callsigns get ever more complicated. I remember the fun when Australia released novice calls with
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<p class="MsoNormal">The logging programs out there that connect to the clusters need to be able to access those facilities. It is not up to the cluster software authors to change their software to suit the logging programs. If logging software is no longer
supported, then you either need to live with it or change program.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If nothing changed, we would still be using DOS and AK1A. Whilst I appreciate the frustration of logging program authors, the cluster is a server and the logging programs the clients. You don’t change the server to suit the clients.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is a mailing list (cluster-tech) set up for discussion between cluster and logging program authors. I am sure that everyone can work together to improve things for the end user, which is why all this is done in the first place.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">73 Ian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 23 Jan 2022, at 07:57, Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Seems strange that the worlds number one cluster program and worlds number one contest logging program are incompatible with each other</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">On 23 Jan 2022, at 07:26, Iain Philipps via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#4F81BD">Question:<br>
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Who set this “de facto standard”, exactly?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#4F81BD">73 de WR3D</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Dxspider-support [<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Björn Ekelund via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2022 05:25<br>
<b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Björn Ekelund<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Interesting Problem with spots format and N1MM</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">DXLog used to have exactly the same problem and we ended up redesigning the spot parsing just because of this. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="background:white">I am trying to do the BARTG RTTY SPRINT today, but noticed that many spots are being filtered that should not be in N1MM</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">If you look at the attached image you will see spots greyed out ((filtered) that shouldn't be. I have noticed that every spot that N1MM deems OK has a : (colon) at the end...but spots that don't have the colon such as OH9GHV are
filtered...... looks like DXspider doesn't have room for the colon.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">73 de Rob G4UJS</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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