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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The only reason that it is 3 characters
long is to allow as much space for the zone list to allow users to
see whether the spot is being heard by skimmers in their general
area. <br>
<br>
The "set/width 120" remark was really an answer to Kin saying
there's never enough room in 80 characters (a 1980's terminal
width).<br>
<br>
But there is a head of steam building for standardising on putting
the mode in all comments as the first token. It's never got very
far because one *has* to put it in and manual spotters don't (as a
rule) and probably won't in the future. But, as more and more
people connect to cluster nodes using programs, and if all the
programs agree to do it, it would create a de facto standard. I
could even change the dx command so that if you don't enter a
recognised mode in the comment, asks for one. <br>
<br>
Dirk<br>
<br>
On 12/02/2022 13:45, Rob Harrison wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi
Dirk<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
tried <b>set/width 120</b> but the spots are still
displaying RTT not RTTY. N1MM Contest logger is looking for
RTTY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">73
Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk"><dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 13:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Joaquin . via Dxspider-support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk"><dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dirk Koopman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk"><djk@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket
#845] DXSpider RTTY Spots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">set/width 120 <br>
<br>
is your friend:-) And its sticky too.<br>
<br>
73 Dirk G1TLH<br>
<br>
On 12/02/2022 13:15, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Human
beings never cease to amaze me more and more every day.<br>
<br>
We want to have as much information as possible in our
window, but our window has a standard size of 80 columns
for all the fields we want to see simultaneously.<br>
Difficult solution to be able to please everyone without
modifying or losing something.<br>
<br>
We are not very flexible and our input is the default
complaint.<br>
<br>
It is at least surprising that the N1MM developers do not
keep track of the main sources of spots, and in particular
of the most used software on the Net.<br>
<br>
Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El sáb, 12 feb 2022 a las 13:25, Rob
Harrison via Dxspider-support (<<a
href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>)
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My
response to K3CT (one of the N1MM Dev Team) was:-<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Hi
John,</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
<br>
<span style="background:white">Yes the raw feed
from the RTTY Skimmer includes RTTY in the
comment field however DXSpider (the most popular
cluster software) takes the RBN feed and
reformats the spots to include better
information in the comments field...... but the
mode is written as RTT not RTTY. It would be
helpful if N1MM was to recognise the comment
RTT as RTTY. Typical output from the DXspider
cluster RBN version is as below.</span><br>
<br>
<span style="background:white">The RBN website
encourages users to connect to a cluster not the
telnet feed directly. <i>"</i></span></span><i><span
style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFFEEF">Our
intent is that "retail" DX clusters should
connect via telnet to one these nodes, and that
end-users should connect to the "retail" nodes."</span></i><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
<br>
<span style="background:white">Regards</span><br>
<br>
<span style="background:white">Rob</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de DF7GB-#: 14106.3 RW4W RTT 22dB Q:5*
Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de DO4DXA-#: 21085.6 TF1AM RTT 16dB Q:3*+
Z:8 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de SQ5M/P-#: 7038.0 PI4CC CW 5dB Q:9+
Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de HB9JCB-#: 7035.0 SP1AEN CW 12dB Q:9+
Z:16 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de HG8A-#: 10115.0 PA/IZ0NGH CW 12dB Q:8*
Z:14,40 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de LY2XW-#: 14026.4 PE1BQE CW 15dB Q:4*
Z:5 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de OE9GHV-#: 7050.4 G0FGI RTT 29dB Q:3
Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de OE9GHV-#: 14125.5 LB2TG RTT 22dB Q:2
Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de MM0ZBH-#: 10114.0 OM6AN/P CW 17dB Q:6+
Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de HA1AG-#: 14044.0 PA2JWN CW 7dB Q:9*+
Z:20 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de MM0ZBH-#: 21026.1 YO4PX CW 30dB Q:9*
Z:16,17,18 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de DF7GB-#: 14135.3 OH1NOA RTT 29dB Q:2+
Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX
de G4ZFE-#: 14113.2 RL9LR RTT 20dB Q:8*
Z:5,15,16,20 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support <<a
href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Harrison via
Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 12:21<br>
<b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <<a
href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rob Harrison <<a
href="mailto:g4ujs@outlook.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">g4ujs@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] FW:
[Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi
All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="color:black">See below, I reported to the
N1M development team that Spider RBN RTTY spots
are not recognised.. as RTTY due to RTT not RTTY
in the comments… I have responded to K3CT with
more detail regarding the reformatting of spots
but we will see. One smart individual said to my
post:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><i><span
style="color:black">“</span></i><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Looks
to me as either a bug or faulty design RTTY has
been called RTTY for over 60 years…</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">However
simple enough, set cluster to reject all spot
comments except for RTT and then set N1MM to
accept everything it receives.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Alternative
use a DX cluster that does not change RTTY to
RTT.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not
really useful….. Dirk it maybe useful if you emailed
N1MM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">73
Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> N1MM TroubleTicket <<a
href="mailto:Support@hamdocs.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Support@hamdocs.com</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 11:11<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:rob.harrison@mis-specialists.co.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rob.harrison@mis-specialists.co.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider
RTTY Spots</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><strong><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">k3ct</span></strong>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We have a note in the source code that the rtty
skimmer includes “RTTY” in the comment field.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Could be a bug in the cluster software?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>John, K3CT<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">G4UJS</span></strong>
<i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">2022/02/12 04:23:53</span></i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt">(reply)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Additional information. DXSpider reformats RBN
spots, this is what the output looks like.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>DX de F6IIT-#: 7020.0 ON75ODE CW 31dB Q:9+ Z:15
0922Z<br>
DX de OH2BBT-#: 14090.0 9A5D RTT 49dB Q:8+ Z:20
0922Z<br>
DX de G4ZFE-#: 21101.8 UA3QJJ RTT 15dB Q:2 Z:20
0922Z<br>
DX de DE1LON-#: 21088.0 9A1A RTT 16dB Q:2+ Z:16
0922Z<br>
DX de DE1LON-#: 21116.8 R9OK RTT 24dB Q:2+ Z:20
0920Z<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>73 de Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">G4UJS</span></strong>
<i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">2022/02/11 19:58:30</span></i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt">(report)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>RTTY RBN spots from DXSpider are identified by RTT
as the first 3 characters of the comments field.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>N1MM doesn't seem to identify these RTTY spots as
RTTY spots!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Can this be adjusted please?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>73 de Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If you have further queries on this ticket, please
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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