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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Dirk…I appreciate why you are only using 3 characters for mode and I totally agree with you. The simple fix would be for N1MM to recognise RTT. Guess I haven’t asked them nicely enough yet!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">73<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dirk Koopman <djk@tobit.co.uk>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 13:58<br>
<b>To:</b> Rob Harrison <g4ujs@outlook.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only reason that it is 3 characters long is to allow as much space for the zone list to allow users to see whether the spot is being heard by skimmers in their general area.
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The "set/width 120" remark was really an answer to Kin saying there's never enough room in 80 characters (a 1980's terminal width).<br>
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But there is a head of steam building for standardising on putting the mode in all comments as the first token. It's never got very far because one *has* to put it in and manual spotters don't (as a rule) and probably won't in the future. But, as more and more
people connect to cluster nodes using programs, and if all the programs agree to do it, it would create a de facto standard. I could even change the dx command so that if you don't enter a recognised mode in the comment, asks for one.
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Dirk<br>
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On 12/02/2022 13:45, Rob Harrison wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I tried <b>set/width 120</b> but the spots are still displaying RTT not RTTY. N1MM Contest logger is looking for RTTY</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">73 Rob</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 13:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Joaquin . via Dxspider-support <a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">
<dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dirk Koopman <a href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk"><djk@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">set/width 120 <br>
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is your friend:-) And its sticky too.<br>
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73 Dirk G1TLH<br>
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On 12/02/2022 13:15, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Human beings never cease to amaze me more and more every day.<br>
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We want to have as much information as possible in our window, but our window has a standard size of 80 columns for all the fields we want to see simultaneously.<br>
Difficult solution to be able to please everyone without modifying or losing something.<br>
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We are not very flexible and our input is the default complaint.<br>
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It is at least surprising that the N1MM developers do not keep track of the main sources of spots, and in particular of the most used software on the Net.<br>
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Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">El sáb, 12 feb 2022 a las 13:25, Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support (<<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>) escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">My response to K3CT (one of the N1MM Dev Team) was:-<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Hi John,</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
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<span style="background:white">Yes the raw feed from the RTTY Skimmer includes RTTY in the comment field however DXSpider (the most popular cluster software) takes the RBN feed and reformats the spots to include better information in the comments field......
but the mode is written as RTT not RTTY. It would be helpful if N1MM was to recognise the comment RTT as RTTY. Typical output from the DXspider cluster RBN version is as below.</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">The RBN website encourages users to connect to a cluster not the telnet feed directly. <i>"</i></span></span><i><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;background:#FFFEEF">Our intent is that "retail"
DX clusters should connect via telnet to one these nodes, and that end-users should connect to the "retail" nodes."</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
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<span style="background:white">Regards</span><br>
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<span style="background:white">Rob</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de DF7GB-#: 14106.3 RW4W RTT 22dB Q:5* Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de DO4DXA-#: 21085.6 TF1AM RTT 16dB Q:3*+ Z:8 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de SQ5M/P-#: 7038.0 PI4CC CW 5dB Q:9+ Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de HB9JCB-#: 7035.0 SP1AEN CW 12dB Q:9+ Z:16 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de HG8A-#: 10115.0 PA/IZ0NGH CW 12dB Q:8* Z:14,40 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de LY2XW-#: 14026.4 PE1BQE CW 15dB Q:4* Z:5 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de OE9GHV-#: 7050.4 G0FGI RTT 29dB Q:3 Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de OE9GHV-#: 14125.5 LB2TG RTT 22dB Q:2 Z:14 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de MM0ZBH-#: 10114.0 OM6AN/P CW 17dB Q:6+ Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de HA1AG-#: 14044.0 PA2JWN CW 7dB Q:9*+ Z:20 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de MM0ZBH-#: 21026.1 YO4PX CW 30dB Q:9* Z:16,17,18 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de DF7GB-#: 14135.3 OH1NOA RTT 29dB Q:2+ Z:15 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">DX de G4ZFE-#: 14113.2 RL9LR RTT 20dB Q:8* Z:5,15,16,20 1210Z</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 12:21<br>
<b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rob Harrison <<a href="mailto:g4ujs@outlook.com" target="_blank">g4ujs@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] FW: [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi All<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">See below, I reported to the N1M development team that Spider RBN RTTY spots are not recognised.. as RTTY due to RTT not RTTY in the comments… I have responded to K3CT with more detail regarding the reformatting of spots but we will
see. One smart individual said to my post:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="color:black">“</span></i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Looks to me as either a bug or faulty design RTTY has been called RTTY for over 60 years…</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">However simple enough, set cluster to reject all spot comments except for RTT and then set N1MM to accept everything it receives.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Alternative use a DX cluster that does not change RTTY to RTT.”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Not really useful….. Dirk it maybe useful if you emailed N1MM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">73 Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> N1MM TroubleTicket <<a href="mailto:Support@hamdocs.com" target="_blank">Support@hamdocs.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2022 11:11<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rob.harrison@mis-specialists.co.uk" target="_blank">rob.harrison@mis-specialists.co.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">k3ct</span></strong> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We have a note in the source code that the rtty skimmer includes “RTTY” in the comment field.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Could be a bug in the cluster software?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>John, K3CT<o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">2022/02/12 04:23:53</span></i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">(reply)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Additional information. DXSpider reformats RBN spots, this is what the output looks like.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>DX de F6IIT-#: 7020.0 ON75ODE CW 31dB Q:9+ Z:15 0922Z<br>
DX de OH2BBT-#: 14090.0 9A5D RTT 49dB Q:8+ Z:20 0922Z<br>
DX de G4ZFE-#: 21101.8 UA3QJJ RTT 15dB Q:2 Z:20 0922Z<br>
DX de DE1LON-#: 21088.0 9A1A RTT 16dB Q:2+ Z:16 0922Z<br>
DX de DE1LON-#: 21116.8 R9OK RTT 24dB Q:2+ Z:20 0920Z<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>73 de Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">2022/02/11 19:58:30</span></i><span style="font-size:7.5pt">(report)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>RTTY RBN spots from DXSpider are identified by RTT as the first 3 characters of the comments field.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>N1MM doesn't seem to identify these RTTY spots as RTTY spots!!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Can this be adjusted please?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>73 de Rob G4UJS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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