<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">OK, thank you.  I’ve done that.<div><br></div><div>Stopped the node, renamed the /spider/data/users.v3j file and copied users.v3 into that folder from my old installation.</div><div><br></div><div>Restarted the node and I see that a new users.v3j file has been created in /spider/local_data.</div><div><br></div><div>No sign of a .keep file though and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a .backstop file in there.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7 Dec 2022, at 12:08, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
  
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">What I suggest you do is to copy your
      users.v3 from your old installation. Then stop the node, remove
      the users.v3j and then restart the node. It will rebuild your
      users.v3j and also the .keep and .backstop files. <br>
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      On 07/12/2022 12:03, Keith Maton via Dxspider-support wrote:<br>
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      No this was a fresh installation using the script here: <a href="https://www.sv5fri.eu/?p=4318424" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://www.sv5fri.eu/?p=4318424</a>
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      <div>I then set it up from scratch, didn’t copy any files over
        from my old install.</div>
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            <div>On 7 Dec 2022, at 12:01, Dirk Koopman via
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Did you upgrade from an
                  1.55 (master branch) installation?<br>
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                  On 07/12/2022 11:35, Keith Maton via Dxspider-support
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                  Arse, too late :-(
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                  <div>Sorry.</div>
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                  <div>Is this part of the important magic that happens
                    in the early hours of Wednesday mornings?</div>
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                        <div>On 7 Dec 2022, at 11:32, Dirk Koopman via
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                            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">keep the .keep
                              file, it's there for a reason.<br>
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                              On 07/12/2022 11:30, Keith Maton via
                              Dxspider-support wrote:<br>
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                              Ahh, our emails crossed. 
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                              <div>Here’s my .v3j file.  I’ll blitz all
                                the user_json files now.</div>
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                                <div style="margin: 0px; font-stretch:
                                  normal; font-size: 11px; line-height:
                                  normal; font-family: Menlo;"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
                                    no-common-ligatures">-rwxrwxr-x 1
                                    sysop spider 8.0M Dec  7 11:28 </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
                                    no-common-ligatures; color: #2fb41d"><b>users.v3j</b></span></div>
                                <div><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
                                    no-common-ligatures; color: #2fb41d"><b><br>
                                    </b></span></div>
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                                    <div>On 7 Dec 2022, at 11:25, Dirk
                                      Koopman via Dxspider-support <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></a>
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                                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm
                                          struggling to understand why
                                          your user_json files (any of
                                          them) are more than a few tens
                                          of MB. My reference site
                                          GB7DJK looks like this:<br>
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                                          <font face="monospace">-rw-rw-r-- 
                                            1 sysop spider  50M Dec  7
                                            02:30 user_json<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            48M Dec  7 02:30
                                            user_json.backstop<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            29M Jan 24  2022
                                            user_json.keep<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            50M Nov 30 02:30 user_json.o<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            49M Nov 23 02:30
                                            user_json.oo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            49M Nov 16 02:30
                                            user_json.ooo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            49M Nov  9 02:30
                                            user_json.oooo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r--  1 sysop spider 
                                            48M Nov  2 02:30
                                            user_json.ooooo</font><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <font face="monospace">-rw-rw-r-- 
                                            1 sysop spider  81M Dec  7
                                            11:17 users.v3j</font><br>
                                          <br>
                                          And remember, this site has
                                          been on 24hrs / day since
                                          about 1998.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          WA9PIE-2's data is a bit
                                          bigger as he has more users
                                          and more connections:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <font face="monospace">-rw-rw-r--
                                            1 sysop sysop  64M Dec  7
                                            02:30 user_json<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            62M Dec  7 02:30
                                            user_json.backstop<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            49M Jan 12  2022
                                            user_json.keep<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            64M Nov 30 02:30 user_json.o<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            63M Nov 23 02:30
                                            user_json.oo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            63M Nov 16 02:30
                                            user_json.ooo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            62M Nov  9 02:30
                                            user_json.oooo<br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop 
                                            62M Nov  2 02:30
                                            user_json.ooooo<br>
                                            <br>
                                            -rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop sysop
                                            114M Dec  7 11:19 users.v3j</font><br>
                                          <br>
                                          You can remove any user_json
                                          file and you don't need to
                                          restart. They are just backups
                                          of users.v3j. The user_json
                                          files are there to allow you
                                          to restore the users.v3j file.
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          So how big is your users.v3j
                                          file?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Dirk G1TLH<br>
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                                          On 07/12/2022 10:08, Keith
                                          Maton via Dxspider-support
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                          Right, I stand corrected.
                                           It’s the user_json.o file
                                          that’s 13Gb.
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                                              font-stretch: normal;
                                              font-size: 11px;
                                              line-height: normal;
                                              font-family: Menlo;"><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">-rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop
                                                spider   121704448 Dec 
                                                7 10:01 user_json</span></div>
                                            <div style="margin: 0px;
                                              font-stretch: normal;
                                              font-size: 11px;
                                              line-height: normal;
                                              font-family: Menlo;"><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">-rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop
                                                spider     2838642 Dec 
                                                7 02:30 user_json.keep</span></div>
                                            <div style="margin: 0px;
                                              font-stretch: normal;
                                              font-size: 11px;
                                              line-height: normal;
                                              font-family: Menlo;"><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">-rw-rw-r-- 1 sysop
                                                spider 13067960320 Dec 
                                                7 08:29 user_json.o</span></div>
                                            <div style="margin: 0px;
                                              font-stretch: normal;
                                              font-size: 11px;
                                              line-height: normal;
                                              font-family: Menlo;"><span style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">-rwxrwxr-x 1 sysop
                                                spider     2838642 Dec 
                                                4 09:48 </span><span style="font-variant-ligatures:
                                                no-common-ligatures;
                                                color: #2fb41d"><b>user_json.oo</b></span></div>
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                                                <div>On 7 Dec 2022, at
                                                  09:32, Joaquin via
                                                  Dxspider-support <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" moz-do-not-send="true"><dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></a>
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                                                  <div><p>Sorry, I don't
                                                      know why I didn't
                                                      read about the
                                                      user_json file.<br>
                                                      Do an export_user,
                                                      remove the 13GB
                                                      one, and reboot.</p><p>Kin<br>
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                                                    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El
                                                      07/12/2022 a las
                                                      10:29, Joaquin via
                                                      Dxspider-support
                                                      escribió:<br>
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                                                      <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><p>Keith,</p><p>Look to see
                                                        what you have
                                                        defined in
                                                        debug: <b>sh/debug</b>,
                                                        you also have
                                                        many traces and
                                                        you can reduce
                                                        them with <b>unset/debug</b>.<br>
                                                        Or you can limit
                                                        the number of
                                                        log files if
                                                        your FS is
                                                        small.</p><p>Kin</p><p><br>
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                                                      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">El
                                                        07/12/2022 a las
                                                        10:23, Keith
                                                        Maton via
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Woke up this morning to a crashed node, the Pi was still running but when I tried to connect externally to the node, I had no response, when I logged on and issued a /spider/perl/console.pl command, I just had a grey screen.  I’ve checked the debug log and it fell over at 02:29:47 this morning.  The last entry in the debug log is just a normal spot.

I successfully rebooted and it’s all running but I have PRTG monitoring and I just got pinged for low disk space.

When I check, my /local_data/user_json file has grown to 13Gb.

Any idea what’s caused this?  Can I just stop the node, delete the file and restart?  I suspect with less than 50Mb disk space, it’s going to crash soon anyway.</pre>
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