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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I have a similar problem with a VM
based system with severely out of date Ubuntu (16.04) and my
solution was different (and not about the fact that the distro was
so old it wouldn't upgrade, oh no, not at all, never).<br>
<br>
I created a new VM, did the few changes that VMs always need
(users/passwords etc), installed the perl packages and then simply
rsynced the whole of spider tree across. I then (temporarily)
changed the node callsign, ran update_sysop.pl and started it up.
And it just worked. When I'm happy I shall change the node
callsign, update the dns, stop the old node, rsync the few changes
(spots, logs etc) across, start the new node and the dump the old
VM.<br>
<br>
People forget that it's pure perl and can run on anything
(including bsd, Window 95 (please don't), 7 (ditto), 10 or 11
given a decent version of perl). The only problem is the (as far
as I am concerned) obsolescent C client (for ax25 and other non-IP
based connections) - and that can be solved with a decent C
compiler which can be obtained for free anyway. 99.5% of sysops
will never need to use it. A good 75% of the few people that still
do, don't need to. But I cannot (and won't) diss them because they
are mostly long time users that started when we were all still
using ax25. If it works (and AFAIK it still does) don't "fix" it.
<br>
<br>
73 de Dirk G1TLH<br>
<br>
On 06/02/2023 17:28, Kelly Leavit<br>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">My installation
was an ongoing update from many years ago. I was alerted by a
fellow sysop that I was seriously out of date.</span></div>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I tried to run
the backup/update script (<b><a
href="https://github.com/glaukos78/dxspider_installation_v2/tree/devel"
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
data-auth="NotApplicable" data-safelink="true"
data-linkindex="0" class="ContentPasted0
moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/glaukos78/dxspider_installation_v2/tree/devel</a></b>)
and found out even my OS was really out of date.<br>
</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Updated OS (that
alone took two iterations). My site lives on a headless VM
server so upgrading the OS was a bit of a challenge but I was
able to do it.<br>
</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I was then able
to run the upgrade script as root, but I still got some weird
notices about permissions when run.</span></div>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">After a couple
of back and forth emails I decided to shut down the site and
change ownership of everything in the spider directory to
sysop.</span></div>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I changed into
the install directory and did</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">sudo find .
-exec chown sysop {} \;<br>
</span></div>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span><span
style="font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"
class="ContentPasted1">The I restarted the service.
Everything seems to be much more stable now.</span></span><br
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span><span
style="font-size:12pt;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><br
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</span></span>I think I'm going to do a clean install on a
new instance to verify what the permissions on everything
should be and clean up the mess I have.</span></div>
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Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri,
Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(0,
0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">73 de Kelly,
KE2L<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Dxspider-support <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk"><dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk></a>
on behalf of Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk"><dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 6, 2023 10:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dxspider-Support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org"><dxspider-support@dxcluster.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dirk Koopman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk"><djk@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] Permissions</font>
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<div><font size="4">There are some recent reports about
permissions being changed after updates.
<br>
<br>
I should like to see some concrete evidence of the sort of
these permission changes, in order to determine where the
problem is. But I will make one observation: users *<u>must</u>*
be the sysop user when doing an update. Doing an update
<u>as root</u> may (or more likely) <u>not</u> give you the
(velvety) smooth experience that (I'm sure [honest :-]) that
you are used to.
<br>
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If you do experience "permission problems" please send me
examples + how you went about doing the failing update.
<br>
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73 Dirk G1TLH<br>
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