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I don't have access to spin up a new VM. This instance is donated by a local fiber provider free for our club, but on the understanding that I maintain it. I'm just glad I could do the upgrade from the command line.
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I started back on ax.25 as KB2SYD-5. I had connections coming in directly on 2m at 1200 baud, through a node located on a nearby mountaintop relayed at 9600 baud on 440 and of course through telnet. I still have all of the equipment. I was actually kb2syd.ampr.org
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I also started in the Unix family all the way back in 1983. After all of these years, one thing I do know about computers is that I don't know much.</div>
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I am glad my issue was something as simple as permissions. There were old subdirectories and files with owner scarc (the sysop name I used to run the cluster under).</div>
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Getting everything to owner=sysop, group=sysop and the correct permissions has made it all work great again.<br>
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Thank you, Dirk for all the work you do keeping this alive. A big thank you to all of the other contributors too.</div>
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If there is anything I can do to help, please reach out.</div>
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73 de Kelly</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Dirk Koopman <djk@tobit.co.uk><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 7, 2023 9:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kelly Leavitt <kelly@catcorner.org>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Permissions</font>
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<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">I have a similar problem with a VM based system with severely out of date Ubuntu (16.04) and my solution was different (and not about the fact that the distro was so old it wouldn't upgrade, oh no, not at all, never).<br>
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I created a new VM, did the few changes that VMs always need (users/passwords etc), installed the perl packages and then simply rsynced the whole of spider tree across. I then (temporarily) changed the node callsign, ran update_sysop.pl and started it up. And
it just worked. When I'm happy I shall change the node callsign, update the dns, stop the old node, rsync the few changes (spots, logs etc) across, start the new node and the dump the old VM.<br>
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People forget that it's pure perl and can run on anything (including bsd, Window 95 (please don't), 7 (ditto), 10 or 11 given a decent version of perl). The only problem is the (as far as I am concerned) obsolescent C client (for ax25 and other non-IP based
connections) - and that can be solved with a decent C compiler which can be obtained for free anyway. 99.5% of sysops will never need to use it. A good 75% of the few people that still do, don't need to. But I cannot (and won't) diss them because they are
mostly long time users that started when we were all still using ax25. If it works (and AFAIK it still does) don't "fix" it.
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On 06/02/2023 17:28, Kelly Leavit<br>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">My installation was an ongoing update from many years ago. I was alerted by a fellow sysop that I
was seriously out of date.</span></div>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I tried to run the backup/update script (<b><a href="https://github.com/glaukos78/dxspider_installation_v2/tree/devel" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-safelink="true" data-linkindex="0" class="x_ContentPasted0 x_moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/glaukos78/dxspider_installation_v2/tree/devel</a></b>)
and found out even my OS was really out of date.<br>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Updated OS (that alone took two iterations). My site lives on a headless VM server so upgrading the
OS was a bit of a challenge but I was able to do it.<br>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I was then able to run the upgrade script as root, but I still got some weird notices about permissions
when run.</span></div>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">After a couple of back and forth emails I decided to shut down the site and change ownership of everything
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I changed into the install directory and did</span></div>
<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">sudo find . -exec chown sysop {} \;<br>
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</span></span>I think I'm going to do a clean install on a new instance to verify what the permissions on everything should be and clean up the mess I have.</span></div>
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<div class="x_elementToProof"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt; color:rgb(0,0,0); background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">73 de Kelly, KE2L<br>
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<dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk></a> on behalf of Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 6, 2023 10:11 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Dirk Koopman <a href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk" data-auth="NotApplicable" class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">
<djk@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] Permissions</font>
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<div><font size="4">There are some recent reports about permissions being changed after updates.
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I should like to see some concrete evidence of the sort of these permission changes, in order to determine where the problem is. But I will make one observation: users *<u>must</u>* be the sysop user when doing an update. Doing an update
<u>as root</u> may (or more likely) <u>not</u> give you the (velvety) smooth experience that (I'm sure [honest :-]) that you are used to.
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If you do experience "permission problems" please send me examples + how you went about doing the failing update.
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