<html><head></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">Considerations</span></span></span></div></div><div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">Do we have any idea how many users out of the total are abusing the dxcluster?</span></span> </span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">I think it might be a few % if not less.</span></span> <span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">Are we going to burden 99% of users with 2FA login etc...?</span></span> <span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">+ all software that needs to be adjusted.</span></span> <span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">The calf grows larger than the cow.</span></span> </span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">In addition, I think that at least half of all abusers are also "normal" radio amateurs, so they will be in the network anyway.</span></span> </span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">Wouldn't it be more effective to develop the right tools and actively track down the abusers and take measures there? </span></span></span></div><div><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">I think the badip.</span></span> <span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">badspotter, baddx badword tools are good, only we need to make a global database of them and distribute them faster over the dxclusters.</span></span></div></div><div><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb"><br></span></span></div><div><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb">73 Rob PE1ITR</span></span></div><div><span class="HwtZe" jsaction="mouseup:Sxi9L,BR6jm; mousedown:qjlr0e" jsname="jqKxS" lang="en"><span jsaction="agoMJf:PFBcW;MZfLnc:P7O7bd;nt4Alf:pvnm0e,pfE8Hb,PFBcW;B01qod:dJXsye;H1e5u:iXtTIf;lYIUJf:hij5Wb;bmeZHc:iURhpf;Oxj3Xe:qAKMYb,yaf12d" jsname="txFAF" class="jCAhz ChMk0b" jscontroller="Gn4SMb"><span class="ryNqvb" jsaction="click:E6Tfl,GFf3ac,tMZCfe; contextmenu:Nqw7Te,QP7LD; mouseout:Nqw7Te; mouseover:E6Tfl,c2aHje" jsname="W297wb"><br></span></span></span></div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2023-02-11 at 13:59 +0000, Ian Maude via Dxspider-support wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Oh my! That’s twice in one day. (I need a lie down or maybe more beer!</div><div><br></div><div>Ian<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On 11 Feb 2023, at 13:57, Iain Philipps via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><span style="color: windowtext;">I don't wish to appear rude, OK perhaps only a bit rude.</span><span><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">You will be one of only a handful of readers here that would recognise the level of restraint applied by me in my response to this “topic”. I remember well the vat of ale you brought to the VHFNFD site at Dunwich where we discussed the notion of Spider. Metaphorically I am still standing in that tent.<br><br>Sanity begins at home; it is the responsibility of EVERY SysOp to manage their cluster in a fashion that brings peace and harmony to the network. Throwing code and resource at this is likely to make it worse – quickly – rather than better.<br><br><br>73 de WR3D<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Dxspider-support mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Dxspider-support mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br></div><div><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></body></html>