<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Back in the early days, if a sysop had an issue and we emailed them but got no answer, we simply locked them out. It’s amazing how quickly they responded then! Of course, we were not as interconnected then.<div><br></div><div>73 Ian<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 11 Feb 2023, at 12:27, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">You are talking about two interrelated issues, one is access to the nodes and the other is the structure and functioning of the network itself. Both can be improved, but there is a lot of work involved.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It is time for the ideas to go a step beyond, with descriptions, pros vs. cons, feasibility, impact, real examples, ...<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It is not about user authentication, which has existed for more than two decades, and is hardly being used despite being very easy to implement (see in wiki i.e.), it is about putting protection measures in place, but these measures are not only the responsibility of the developer, we sysops are an active part of the solution and the problem. It is high time to not take a back seat and to assume our responsibility in the management of our node, which is still a part of the network we interact with.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It is a pity that Bouvet was not activated earlier to give visibility to a problem that has been going on for so long and on which Dirk is still working. Today you can read comments that would have been appreciated when the Community was asked to get more involved with management, complaints and requests for change.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I remember not long ago asking for support for software such as N1MM to incorporate a *password* field associated with each node. The debate was opened and I think only 3 or 4 people seconded the request, ergo the N1MM team dismissed the request. Where were we then?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I've been trying for a month to contact *all* the sysops that use DXSpider and are out of date, and most of the emails I've sent have gone unanswered. Even 3 or 4 of these nodes have simply disappeared, others that do show up on this forum when they have problems are *absent*. But thanks to those who have taken an interest and collaborated, a small change in the network is being achieved. If we sysops ourselves don't get involved, we can't ask much of the developers.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Think that it is not enough just to update our node, we have to be aware of the changes that have been applied, of the new functionalities and of what the developer is asking of us. You have to read the *Change* file that comes with each new build.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Do we want a change? Let's show it.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>De:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Iain Philipps via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>sábado, 11 de febrero de 2023 9:58<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'The DXSpider Support list' <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Iain Philipps <<a href="mailto:iain.philipps@77hz.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">iain.philipps@77hz.net</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Dx-World and DxCluster<br><b>Importancia:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Alta<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">Greetings.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">While I do not disagree that there CAN be technology solutions which potentially help, I would (personally) resist such calls. The issue here isn’t software; it is the BEHAVIOUR of the users.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">You can not narrowly focus on “fixing Spider” and expect to solve world peace; there are other networks out there (using other software) generating and routing “bad” traffic – how about fixing those first?<br><br>It is possible to ameliorate by implementing further controls, but nothing is getting better until someone fixes the root cause – the rebel users.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);">73 de WR3D<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Fabián Malnero, EB1TR" via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>11 February 2023 08:48<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"Fabián Malnero, EB1TR" <fabian@eb1tr.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@dxcluster.org>; Luigi Carlotto IK5ZUK <ik5zuk@tiscali.it><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Dx-World and DxCluster<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Perhaps it would be necessary to think in a more pragmatic way about not "reinventing the wheel".<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">There are applications that solve all transport needs in an extremely efficient, centralized, secure and scalable way.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Implementations like MQTT, Kafka, EMQX can be more than valid solutions, solidly proven and linked to balancing systems (HAProxy, NGinx, Traeffic, etc.) and some additional services for information verification can be an ideal solution. If all this were open source and deployed in the cloud, we would be talking about an ambitious and modern project.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">This, obviously, cannot be done if development is not centralized and we all push towards a common goal. Perhaps the decentralization of nodes is part of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB">Greetings.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span lang="EN-GB"><hr size="2" width="100%" noshade="" align="center" style=""></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">Fabián Malnero, EB1TR</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br>T:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.twitter.com/eb1tr" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">@eb1tr</span></a></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br>W:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.eb1tr.com/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">EB1TR.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Dxspider-support mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</span></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>