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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You are talking about two interrelated issues, one is access to the nodes and the other is the structure and functioning of the network itself. Both can be improved, but there is a lot of work involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is time for the ideas to go a step beyond, with descriptions, pros vs. cons, feasibility, impact, real examples, ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is not about user authentication, which has existed for more than two decades, and is hardly being used despite being very easy to implement (see in wiki i.e.), it is about putting protection measures in place, but these measures are not only the responsibility of the developer, we sysops are an active part of the solution and the problem. It is high time to not take a back seat and to assume our responsibility in the management of our node, which is still a part of the network we interact with. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It is a pity that Bouvet was not activated earlier to give visibility to a problem that has been going on for so long and on which Dirk is still working. Today you can read comments that would have been appreciated when the Community was asked to get more involved with management, complaints and requests for change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I remember not long ago asking for support for software such as N1MM to incorporate a *password* field associated with each node. The debate was opened and I think only 3 or 4 people seconded the request, ergo the N1MM team dismissed the request. Where were we then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I've been trying for a month to contact *all* the sysops that use DXSpider and are out of date, and most of the emails I've sent have gone unanswered. Even 3 or 4 of these nodes have simply disappeared, others that do show up on this forum when they have problems are *absent*. But thanks to those who have taken an interest and collaborated, a small change in the network is being achieved. If we sysops ourselves don't get involved, we can't ask much of the developers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Think that it is not enough just to update our node, we have to be aware of the changes that have been applied, of the new functionalities and of what the developer is asking of us. You have to read the *Change* file that comes with each new build.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do we want a change? Let's show it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>De:</b> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>En nombre de </b>Iain Philipps via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 11 de febrero de 2023 9:58<br><b>Para:</b> 'The DXSpider Support list' <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>CC:</b> Iain Philipps <iain.philipps@77hz.net><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Dx-World and DxCluster<br><b>Importancia:</b> Alta<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Greetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>While I do not disagree that there CAN be technology solutions which potentially help, I would (personally) resist such calls. The issue here isn’t software; it is the BEHAVIOUR of the users.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You can not narrowly focus on “fixing Spider” and expect to solve world peace; there are other networks out there (using other software) generating and routing “bad” traffic – how about fixing those first?<br><br>It is possible to ameliorate by implementing further controls, but nothing is getting better until someone fixes the root cause – the rebel users.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>73 de WR3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:#4F81BD;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>"Fabián Malnero, EB1TR" via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2023 08:48<br><b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> "Fabián Malnero, EB1TR" <fabian@eb1tr.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@dxcluster.org>; Luigi Carlotto IK5ZUK <ik5zuk@tiscali.it><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Dx-World and DxCluster<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Perhaps it would be necessary to think in a more pragmatic way about not "reinventing the wheel".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>There are applications that solve all transport needs in an extremely efficient, centralized, secure and scalable way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Implementations like MQTT, Kafka, EMQX can be more than valid solutions, solidly proven and linked to balancing systems (HAProxy, NGinx, Traeffic, etc.) and some additional services for information verification can be an ideal solution. If all this were open source and deployed in the cloud, we would be talking about an ambitious and modern project.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>This, obviously, cannot be done if development is not centralized and we all push towards a common goal. Perhaps the decentralization of nodes is part of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Greetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-GB><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:black' align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Fabián Malnero, EB1TR</span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>T:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-GB><a href="https://www.twitter.com/eb1tr"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>@eb1tr</span></a></span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><br>W:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-GB><a href="https://www.eb1tr.com"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>EB1TR.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>