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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Stephen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>You are right, it is always best to DISCONNECT and then LOCK. Sometimes it works the other way round, I can testify to that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On my first attempt I have managed to get the node count to almost 50% of nodes on the Mojo branch. On the second attempt the goal was to collect contact information from the sysops and inform them of the need to keep their node up to date. In the last stage, all nodes that are not interested in participating in the upgrading of the other nodes should be isolated.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have a list of sysops that have assured me that they will upgrade, and others that are considering it. In a reasonable time, I will publish those that simply have not done anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I know there are sysops that are having difficulties, but they have asked for help and are doing their best to upgrade, which is to be welcomed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I have also come across nodes that had a *life of their own*, no one was managing them and when I managed to reach someone related to the node, they shut it down. These should disappear because without active administration it makes no sense to have a node that interacts with the rest and can compromise the overall state of the network.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As you can see from the list, I've only put up spider nodes, but that's just the beginning. I hope that other sysops in other clusters will do something similar to what we are doing here. If in the end we don't all go in the same direction, decisions will have to be made.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I don't see a problem with the number of nodes, but I do see a problem with the quality of the nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As for what you say about experimentation, I agree with you that we can't do certain tests that could affect the rest. There are mechanisms for experimenting locally.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The sysops must be aware of the great effort Dirk and others are making to secure the network and make it more reliable. But developers are not God and need all of us to make an effective improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And an important step to take is to migrate from the current Master branch to the Mojo branch, regardless of the number of users that the node involved usually has.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Sorry for my bad English, I hope I was able to get the message across.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>73 de Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b>De:</b> Stephen Carroll <aa4u.steve@gmail.com> <br><b>Enviado el:</b> viernes, 17 de febrero de 2023 15:25<br><b>Para:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>CC:</b> Kin <ea3cv@cronux.net><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] For all sysops<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kin,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In my experience, a partner node or user needs to be DISCONNECTED before you can issue a LOCKOUT.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the case of a node that hasn't, won't or promised to upgrade in the future --- that node could be put in ISOLATED status, right? The objective should be for them to upgrade, not be cutoff from getting spots, etc. I have 2 older nodes (AK1A, AR Cluster) that are isolated from the main network. The way I understand it, any spots they originate get filtered through my up-to-date mojo cluster node. In fact, do those spots even get forwarded to the main network or just stay within the isolated network?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My opinion, I'm all for weeding out the network of outdated node software or nodes with no active sysop. I've held my tongue on this topic for many years, but the bottom line is there are TOO MANY cluster nodes. Back in the day, it was necessary because of the RF component of each of these area networks. But, very few nodes even have any radio/tnc users anymore. The internet makes ANY node accessible from anywhere now. As an example, there are almost as many nodes listed in Italy as the entire United States --- that seems rather excessive to me. Do we need a network architect? I normally average between 30-40 connected users, but would QRT my node after 20+ years if it meant improving the network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Aside from the "appliance operators" that abound, ham radio is still an experimenters hobby --- whether that's equipment, antennas or software related. However, my opinion is that the cluster network isn't a place where you want the casual experimenter. Today, we're seeing the outcome of having folks setup a node and in some cases then forget about it --- some of those folks may likely not even be around anymore.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The current actions are a good first step to get every node updated and utilizing the advancements that Dirk and others have been working on to improve the overall network. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73, Steve - AA4U<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 4:57 AM Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I think it is time to get involved and play as a team.<o:p></o:p></p><p>After having tried to contact all the spider nodes by email, the following list (except for error, sri) have not replied or have not been located. I therefore ask you to block them.<o:p></o:p></p><p>It may seem very drastic, but we need the involvement of most of the sysops if we want to solve the problems we have.<o:p></o:p></p><p>The blocking should be done so that we can inform those sysops of the changes that have occurred and the need to update their nodes. They can then be unblocked.<o:p></o:p></p><p>For those of you who think this doesn't affect you because you're on your own, I think you're making a big mistake, and you'll realise it when you find yourself excluded from the *team*. This is a request for help to get a necessary change for our Community.<o:p></o:p></p><p>This list is not just for us to ask for help and advice, it is for us to answer those requests for help. There are sysops who only show up here when they have problems, and when you ask for their help they don't even answer you, this behaviour is not part of the ideals of our hobby. We count on you?<o:p></o:p></p><p>If you can, update your details at: <a href="https://www.dxcluster.info/telnet/submit.php%20" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://www.dxcluster.info/telnet/submit.php</span></a> which will appear at <a href="https://www.dxcluster.info/telnet/index.php" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://www.dxcluster.info/telnet/index.php</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Execute command<o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:Consolas'>set/lockout <node></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:Consolas'>disc <node></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p>and verify with:<o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:Consolas'>sh/lockout <node></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p>Unlockout is done like this:<o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-family:Consolas'>unset/lockout <node></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p>And the list of those affected:<o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='color:white'>Column1 Column2 Column3</span></b><br><span 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