<html><head></head><body style="zoom: 0%;"><div dir="auto">Thank you Steve, <br></div>
<div dir="auto">Anyway, many years ago my grandmother already said to me:<br></div>
<div dir="auto">"Don't feel offended by those who do, but by those who can"<br></div>
<div dir="auto">More than a bunch of acronyms and titles after your name, you are defined by your words, and even more by your facts.<br></div>
<div dir="auto">73, Mikel</div>
<div class="gmail_quote" >En 26 feb 2023, en 13:53, Stephen Carroll via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> escribió:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="auto">Matthew,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">While your opinion and comments are greatly appreciated, calling someone's proposal "...a very, very stupid idea..." isn't how we promote international goodwill. Enough said...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">73, Steve - AA4U </div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 6:27 AM Matthew Chambers via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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>> Just because the OS supports SSH doesn't mean all software <br>
>> environments can! For example for me to add SSH to a NodeJS based <br>
>> desktop app, I'd have to pull in additional "node modules" or <br>
>> libraries which add additional bloat to our software. This is likely <br>
>> true of many programming environments. And I'm sure there are some <br>
>> out there that have no option for SSH so their software will no <br>
>> longer be able to participate.<br>
> One of the basis in the proposal is that -at least at this point- <br>
> everybody will be allowed to connect and show spots,anns, wwv,wcy,etc.<br>
<br>
You'd still be leaving a lot of users out to be able to contribute <br>
spots, what would they be receiving if no one is sending anything <br>
because everyone is receive only?<br>
<br>
>><br>
>> Encrypted tunnels between nodes seems reasonable but SSH for end <br>
>> users is too far. I might as well shut off my node at that point as <br>
>> would probably the vast majority of sysops. Yeah you'd have a very <br>
>> secure network with no traffic!<br>
> In case ssh tunnels should be a must for end users, I think that it <br>
> must be transparent for them. I think that even now, few or no users <br>
> use telnet windows to connect, but 3rd part software that can do it <br>
> (only if they want to upload information, of course.) as they are <br>
> already doing it with other platforms.<br>
<br>
My point is that to add SSH natively to the software it doesn't matter <br>
one bit if windows or linux supports it. You'd have to add it natively <br>
to the client program unless your proposing that we dump client support <br>
in logging programs and force everyone to use the OS SSH client only. I <br>
can't add it to the program I'm working on, even adding telnet was too <br>
much so I had started working on a server side translation of telnet to <br>
websockets for receive only for now but I might as well just scratch <br>
that project completely as it wouldn't meet your overly high standard <br>
for end to end encryption.<br>
<br>
I'm also wondering how encryption is going to stop bad actors from <br>
logging in via SSH with a fake callsign and throw away password and <br>
injecting their bad data into the system.<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm going to conclude my thoughts for this thread with this is a very <br>
very stupid idea and is going to not fix what you think it will and will <br>
only kill what's left of the DX Cluster network. I think the path we <br>
started of getting everyone updated and getting the badwords and badips <br>
lists up to date is about all we're going to be able to realisticly do. <br>
If you want an extremely secure network, just eliminate all the users <br>
and you won't have a problem with bad data because there will be no data.<br>
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