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Keith, I was thinking the same. It will take a while for the update
to propagate. Working together gets the job done! Hamclock does look
a very nice application.<br>
Thanks!<br>
73, John W1AN<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17-Jan-24 16:26, Keith Maton via
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Yes John, that’s almost certainly HamClock.
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<div>When the version I’m testing comes out of beta and people
update, these won’t happen.</div>
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<div>On 17 Jan 2024, at 15:27, John Spigel via
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<div> Below is a debug moment snapshot today. Is this from
hamclock? Or is there another app that is automatically
running the sh/h command? Most or all are requested by
(no/here) calls.<br>
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John W1AN <br>
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1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
AK4SE ip: 73.137.119.160 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by KF4O
ip: 107.15.23.184 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
WB2YZG ip: 104.229.102.189 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
K0JEB ip: 76.152.226.39 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by WQ3P
ip: 50.107.174.12 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
KI5WMU ip: 128.92.197.163 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
AK4SE ip: 73.137.119.160 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
KE8NKN ip: 75.100.181.126 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
AA9MQ ip: 134.215.223.14 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
K0JEB ip: 76.152.226.39 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
XE1BRX ip: 189.187.142.147 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
W1AFP ip: 72.74.75.204 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
WB2YZG ip: 104.229.102.189 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
2E0SVJ ip: 195.140.213.238 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
WA4YYM ip: 23.127.45.85 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
K7AKT ip: 216.7.125.62 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
KI5WMU ip: 128.92.197.163 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
W1AFP ip: 72.74.75.204 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
2E0NQC ip: 78.150.16.216 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by NQ0S
ip: 8.41.23.19 1mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
CT2JUF ip: 37.189.247.93 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
KE8NKN ip: 75.100.181.126 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
AA9MQ ip: 134.215.223.14 1mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
WA4YYM ip: 23.127.45.85 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
XE1BRX ip: 189.187.142.147 0mS<br>
1705503732^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
2E0SVJ ip: 195.140.213.238 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
K7AKT ip: 216.7.125.62 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
2E0NQC ip: 78.150.16.216 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
CT2JUF ip: 37.189.247.93 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by NQ0S
ip: 8.41.23.19 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
W9LCQ-1 ip: 73.32.67.110 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by N4AC
ip: 98.62.103.65 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by N4AC
ip: 98.62.103.65 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by KF4O
ip: 107.15.23.184 1mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
W9LCQ-1 ip: 73.32.67.110 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
W6DPM ip: 76.170.132.90 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading IR1WWA' by
W6DPM ip: 76.170.132.90 0mS<br>
1705503733^(progress) CMD: 'show/heading DL1NCH' by
VK3ZAI ip: 210.50.33.88 1mS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Keith<br>
<br>
Old age is creeping up (at least I think it's just
"creeping"), I remembered something about this after
I posted. Thank for your efforts in sorting this
(and other annoyances) out with HamClock. It's much
appreciated. <br>
<br>
For the absence of any doubt. As standard, anyone
can connect up to three (different) dxspider nodes
in a cluster with the same callsign. On the fourth+
connection, again as standard, that callsign will be
disconnected with an error message. <br>
<br>
The (default) limit of three simultaneous
connections to different nodes was arrived at many
years ago through experiment and debate. In those
days, there was still some justification for
multiple connections as the internet was slower and
(in places) a bit unreliable. Those days are long
gone and that is no longer the case. As far as I am
concerned all multiple connections achieve is an
increase the duplicate traffic flowing from nodes
(which client programs don't always deduplicate
properly). No one has demonstrated any advantage to
having more than one connection in terms of speed of
arrival of spots - which I presume is the point of
having more. Two connections provide resilience in
connection to the wider cluster (useful in contests)
but not much else. <br>
<br>
The kicker is that all major nodes already have have
many interconnections to other nodes. They manage
this diversity so that a client user - does - not -
need - to - roll their own "solution". If a user
thinks that they can get a better result by doing
something themselves then I would a) like them to
try one the major nodes in the UK, Spain, Germany
and other European countries first and then b) if
they can <u>demonstrate</u> an advantage of more
than a second connecting to another node, then
communicate with your local node and ask *them* to
connect to that node rather than doing it yourself.
This will then help everyone.<br>
<br>
My 2p worth...<br>
<br>
Dirk G1TLH<br>
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Well done Keith
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<div>Such a refreshing change from toxic and
un-constructive posts with sadly abound these days
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Dirk,
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<div>No, nothing wrong with it, it works
perfectly but if you read back through
some messages to this reflector, there
have been complaints about HamClock
sending a show/heading after every spot
so it can use the response to plot the
spotted callsign on a map. This change
stops that and the calculation is done
locally on the HamClock.</div>
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<div>Now HamClock will be very quiet, will
only issue a handful of commands on
connect and that’s about it.</div>
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<div>73 Keith</div>
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there something wrong with the
show/heading command?<br>
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On 17/01/2024 08:24, Keith
Maton via Dxspider-support
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As previously mentioned, I’ve
been in regular contact with
the author of HamClock and
following feedback, I am beta
testing a version of HamClock
which no longer uses the
show/heading command for
locating stations and plotting
them on the map. It now does
all the calculations locally.
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<div>When a HamClock initially
connects to a node, it sends
the following:</div>
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<div
style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">1705478550^(DXCommand)
</span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #b42419"><b>G6NHU-10</b></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"> connected from
192.168.1.137 cols 80</span></div>
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style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;">1705478550^(progress)
CMD: 'set/qra JO01ou' by
</span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: rgb(180, 36, 25);"><b>G6NHU-10</b></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures;"> ip: 192.168.1.137
1mS</span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">1705478550^(progress)
CMD: 'set/location 51 50
N 1 13 E' by </span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #b42419"><b>G6NHU-10</b></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"> ip: 192.168.1.137
1mS</span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">1705478550^(progress)
CMD: 'unset/here ' by </span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #b42419"><b>G6NHU-10</b></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"> ip: 192.168.1.137
0mS</span></div>
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style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">And that’s it. The
only other interaction it
will have with the node is
that if there is no
traffic passed in a ten
minute period, it does
this:</span></div>
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style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">
<div
style="margin: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-stretch: normal; font-size: 11px; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;"><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures">1705466270^(progress)
CMD: '</span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; color: #b42419"><b>ping</b></span><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"> ' by G6NHU-10 ip:
192.168.1.137 0mS</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures"><br>
</span></div>
<div>Once this has gone
through testing and
rolls out, it will rely
on the HamClock owners
to update their
software. Elwood feels
that the half-life for
HamClock updates is a
couple of months so it
will take a while for
the changes to pickle
through but we should
start seeing a decrease
in show/heading commands
straight away and that
decrease will continue
as more people update.</div>
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<div>Hopefully this will
satisfy everyone.</div>
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<div>73 Keith G6NHU</div>
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