<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">OK, implemented to test, thanks Andrea.<div><br></div><div>12m FT4 on 24919 is getting through with these settings:</div><div><br></div><div><div>data => [ 24920, 24929, 24915, 24918 ],</div><div>ft8 => [ 24915, 24918 ],</div><div>ft4 => [ 24919, 24922 ],</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think this should be </div><div><div>data => [ 24920, 24929, 24915, 24922 ],</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 Oct 2024, at 13:41, IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr">you can rename the original file as bands.old and copy the modified one in the /spider/data.<div><br></div><div>Then you have to run the command load/bands</div><div><br></div><div>No reboot is needed</div><div><br></div><div>Andrea</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">--></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 11:18 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Understood Andrea,<div><br></div><div>I didn’t look beyond the new entries and hadn’t spotted you’d added them to the data segments.</div><div><br></div><div>The supplied <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> is in /spider/data. I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data? Does spider need to be restarted in order to use the replacement file?</div><div><br></div><div>Dirk, are you happy to take a look over this and consider implementing it in a future release if you’re happy with it?</div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 Oct 2024, at 06:59, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Keith, <div>FT* frequencies were added as data mode and as well as specific mode using ft8/ft4 name to have more granularity if you want to block only ft8/ft4.</div><div>And yes, you already have the specific filter for RTTY.</div><div><br></div><div>If you look at the first example in my previous email you can see that FT* frequencies are included in the data mode.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andrea</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 14 ott 2024 alle ore 23:11 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Andrea,<div><br></div><div>Thanks, but shouldn’t these be included as data, rather than given new names? I mean, by definition, FT8 and FT4 are data modes. I don’t think they need to be differentiated, we don’t have separate filters for RTTY and PSK, it’s all just data.</div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 14 Oct 2024, at 21:15, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi, <br></div><div>I modified the <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> file.</div><div>You can download it from here: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div>Below some filter examples with the detailed freq range.</div><div><br></div><div>73</div><div>Andrea</div><div>iz2lsc</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font face="monospace"><b><u>rej/spot on all/data</u></b></font></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace"><br></span></div><div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1838 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3570 && $r->[0]<=3619) || ($r->[0]>=5366 && $r->[0]<=5467) || ($r->[0]>=7040 && $r->[0]<=7100) || ($r->[0]>=10141 && $r->[0]<=10149) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14070 && $r->[0]<=14098) || ($r->[0]>=14101 && $r->[0]<=14111) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18108) || ($r->[0]>=21070 && $r->[0]<=21119) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24920 && $r->[0]<=24929) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28050 && $r->[0]<=28149) || ($r->[0]>=29200 && $r->[0]<=29299) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50300 && $r->[0]<=50500) || ($r->[0]>=5670000 && $r->[0]<=5700000))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/data"<br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft8</span></b></u><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8"<br> }<br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft4</span></b></u><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft4"<br> }<br> },<br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span></b><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>20m/ft8</b></span></u><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><br></div><div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on 20m/ft8"<br> }<br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face="monospace"><br></font></div><div><b><u><span style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</span><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft8 or on all/ft4</span></u></b><br></div><div><b><span style="font-family:monospace"><br></span></b></div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316)) || (($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8 or on all/ft4"<br> }</font><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno dom 13 ott 2024 alle ore 11:30 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>That’s what I’ve done, the frequency pairs I listed are the base FT8 and FT4 frequencies for each band, plus 3kHz. FT8 is often spotted as the base frequency plus the offset people are transmitting on so yes, it could be up to 3kHz above the base.<div><br></div><div>At the moment, if someone sets a filter <b>rej/spot on all/data</b>, it doesn’t block FT8 or FT4 on all bands. The data filter should block <i>all</i> data, including FT4/8 and adding these pairs to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> will fix that.</div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 13 Oct 2024, at 10:10, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div><div dir="auto">I would propose at least a 3/4 kHz range to ensure that the spot frequency is always in the defined range.</div><div dir="auto">It would be interesting if those who usually use the various digital modes prepared their ranges.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Kin EA3CV</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003mail-editor-reference-message-container" dir="auto"><br><hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%"><div id="m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003divRplyFwdMsg" style="font-size:11pt"><strong>De:</strong> IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>><br><strong>Enviado:</strong> domingo, octubre 13, 2024 10:33:24 a. m.<br><strong>Para:</strong> The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><strong>CC:</strong> Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br><strong>Asunto:</strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><br></div><br><div dir="ltr">Hi,<div>this change is quite easy to implement in <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a></div><div>I'm not so expert on FT8. Do we really want to block the whole range?</div><div>I mean, i.e, for ft8 on 20m is it better to block only 14074 or from 14074 to 14077 ?</div><div><br></div><div>Andrea</div><div> <br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 12 ott 2024 alle ore 19:15 Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="ES"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:12pt">Hello</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt">,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Good idea, Keith.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"> <span>busy</span> <span>with</span> <span>other</span> <span>things</span> at <span>the</span> <span>moment</span>, <span>but</span> <span>I'll</span> <span>make</span> a note <span>of</span> <span>it</span> in case no <span>one</span> <span>else</span> <span>is</span> up <span>for</span> <span>it</span>.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">73 de Kin EA3CV<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>De:</span></b><span> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>> <b>En nombre de </b>Keith Maton via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 12 de octubre de 2024 16:01<br><b>Para:</b> The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b> Keith Maton <<a href="mailto:g6nhu@me.com" target="_blank">g6nhu@me.com</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’ve been helping a number of my users to filter out FT8 spots and I’ve been setting up frequency segments for them because setting rej/spot filters for data doesn’t seem to work very well with FT8 spots getting through.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Looking at <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>, I think it’s clear why, a lot of bands don’t have the FT8 frequency specified in the data entry.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>For example, the main FT8 frequency on 30m is 10,131.000 kHz but <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> has 10141, 10149. I’m not sure if these are spot frequencies or a range from 10141-10149.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>17m lists 18101,18108 but the main FT8 frequency for that band is 18100.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>12m lists 24920,24929 but the main FT8 frequency is 24915<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I know <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> was updated earlier this year but I think we need some more entries in for FT8/FT4, etc. If the entries are ranges then it should be straightforward to add additional ones for FT8 and FT4.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>My suggestions for the primary HF bands.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>FT8:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>1840,1843<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>3573,3576<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>7074,7077<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>10131,10134<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>14074,14077<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>18100,18103<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>24915,24918<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>28074,28077<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>FT4:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>3575,3578<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>7047,7051<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>10140,10143<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>14080,14083<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>18104,18107<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>21140,21143<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>24919,24922<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>28180,28183<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I appreciate that there’s slight overlap on some of these and that it won’t stop spots for DXpeditions that operate outside the normal frequencies but if we can get all these added to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> as part of the data segments, it’ll really help us.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>73 Keith<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br><u></u><br><u></u><u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 19 Apr 2024, at 12:11, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Hi,</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">It is true that there are users who limit themselves to the exclusive use of the BandMap, but others apply filters from their log/test sw, and these are generally those of the cluster used. We must not forget those who still use the command interface.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">For a long time banding has evolved very slowly, but lately we have more bands. I would opt for a mixed model, that is, using the IARU band plan and rigorously adapting it to the de facto use of some that have carved out a niche for themselves in the spectrum. To answer, the same.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Now I have a first version of the plan for Region I, and it would be interesting if other users could contribute II and III Region. It is recast into a single one and we designate the typical segments.</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Regards, </span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Kin EA3CV</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003m_-1343227021191326505ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Enviado desde <a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" target="_blank">Outlook para Android</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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