<div dir="ltr">new file here<div><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div>Andrea<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">--></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 23:29 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>This process about copying the file to /spider/local_data is what I was saying in my earlier email (I said <i>"The supplied <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> is in /spider/data.  I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data?”</i>)<div><br></div><div>I’ve just spent the last hour trying to make it work with no success.<div><br></div><div>If I copy <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> over to /spider/local_data and edit it there, then load it using load/bands and reload the filters as a user, it’s still using the file in /spider/data</div><div><br></div><div>I can see this very quickly because if I do a <b>show/dx filter real 30</b>, I’m getting spots that should be filtered out.</div><div><br></div><div>Editing the file in /spider/data, updating using load/bands and reloading the filters, it’s working as expected but it simply doesn’t seem to load the file from /spider/local_data.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, the permissions were correct (sysop:sysop).</div><div><br></div><div>Can anyone else test this please?</div><div><br></div><div>Andrea, 30m needs changing on your version.  It should be 10136,10139 for FT8, not 10131,10134 (my mistake on my earlier message).</div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br id="m_-6491186922666143673lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15 Oct 2024, at 19:10, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>

  
    
  
  <div>
    <div>(Andrea) Please don't do that. When an
      update is installed it will reset your /spider/data/<a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> and
      you will lose all your changes. <br>
      <br>
      The correct thing to do is to copy /spider/data/<a href="http://band.pl" target="_blank">band.pl</a> to
      /spider/local_data and modify it there. A 'load/bands' will pick
      your modified version as the modification date is newer than the
      one in /spider/data. If there is an update then the one in
      /spider/data will be used but - importantly - your version in
      /spider/local_data will not change. So you *could* 'touch
      /spider/local_data/<a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>' to get your version back again.  <br>
      <br>
      The (system) <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> changes very rarely, in fact it was changed
      this year for the first time since 2021. I am open to suggestions
      for changes, particularly for new mode band sections (assuming
      that they are stable). Please coordinate with Andy G4PIQ as he
      knows more about band plans than I do. If your changes are more
      general then I would be happy to incorporate them. <br>
      <br>
      73 Dirk<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 15/10/2024 13:41, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div dir="ltr">you can rename the original file as bands.old and
        copy the modified one in the /spider/data.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Then you have to run the command load/bands</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>No reboot is needed</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Andrea</div>
        <div><br clear="all">
          <div>
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div>
          </div>
          <br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle
          ore 11:18 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
          ha scritto:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>Understood Andrea,
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I didn’t look beyond the new entries and hadn’t spotted
              you’d added them to the data segments.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>The supplied <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> is in /spider/data. 
              I know better than to overwrite files there so should this
              be placed in /spider/local_data?   Does spider need to be
              restarted in order to use the replacement file?</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Dirk, are you happy to take a look over this and
              consider implementing it in a future release if you’re
              happy with it?</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>73 Keith</div>
            <div>
              <div><br>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>On 15 Oct 2024, at 06:59, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:</div>
                  <br>
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">Hi Keith, 
                      <div>FT* frequencies were added as data mode and
                        as well as specific mode using ft8/ft4 name to
                        have more granularity if you want to block only
                        ft8/ft4.</div>
                      <div>And yes, you already have the specific filter
                        for RTTY.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>If you look at the first example in my
                        previous email you can see that FT* frequencies
                        are included in the data mode.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Andrea</div>
                      <div><br clear="all">
                        <div>
                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div>
                        </div>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 14
                        ott 2024 alle ore 23:11 Keith Maton via
                        Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                        ha scritto:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                        <div>Hi Andrea,
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Thanks, but shouldn’t these be included
                            as data, rather than given new names?  I
                            mean, by definition, FT8 and FT4 are data
                            modes.  I don’t think they need to be
                            differentiated, we don’t have separate
                            filters for RTTY and PSK, it’s all just
                            data.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>73 Keith</div>
                          <div>
                            <div><br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div>On 14 Oct 2024, at 21:15, IZ2LSC
                                  <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>>
                                  wrote:</div>
                                <br>
                                <div>
                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>Hi, <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>I modified the <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>
                                      file.</div>
                                    <div>You can download it from here: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing</a></div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Below some filter examples with
                                      the detailed freq range.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>73</div>
                                    <div>Andrea</div>
                                    <div>iz2lsc</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><b><u>rej/spot on
                                            all/data</u></b></font></div>
                                    <div><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
                                      </span></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br>
                                              "reject":{<br>
                                               
                                         "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1838
                                        && $r->[0]<=1843)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=3570
                                        && $r->[0]<=3619)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=5366
                                        && $r->[0]<=5467)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=7040
                                        && $r->[0]<=7100)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=10141
                                        && $r->[0]<=10149)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=10131
                                        && $r->[0]<=10134)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=10140
                                        && $r->[0]<=10143)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=14070
                                        && $r->[0]<=14098)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=14101
                                        && $r->[0]<=14111)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=18100
                                        && $r->[0]<=18108)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=21070
                                        && $r->[0]<=21119)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=21140
                                        && $r->[0]<=21143)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=24920
                                        && $r->[0]<=24929)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=24915
                                        && $r->[0]<=24918)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=28050
                                        && $r->[0]<=28149)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=29200
                                        && $r->[0]<=29299)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=28180
                                        && $r->[0]<=28183)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=50300
                                        && $r->[0]<=50500)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=5670000
                                        &&
                                        $r->[0]<=5700000))",<br>
                                                 "code":null,<br>
                                                 "user":"on all/data"<br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft8</span></b></u><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br>
                                              "reject":{<br>
                                               
                                         "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840
                                        && $r->[0]<=1843)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=3573
                                        && $r->[0]<=3576)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=7074
                                        && $r->[0]<=7077)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=10131
                                        && $r->[0]<=10134)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=14074
                                        && $r->[0]<=14077)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=18100
                                        && $r->[0]<=18103)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=21074
                                        && $r->[0]<=21077)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=24915
                                        && $r->[0]<=24918)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=28074
                                        && $r->[0]<=28077)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=50313
                                        &&
                                        $r->[0]<=50316))",<br>
                                                 "code":null,<br>
                                                 "user":"on all/ft8"<br>
                                              }<br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft4</span></b></u><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br>
                                              "reject":{<br>
                                               
                                         "asc":"(($r->[0]>=3575
                                        && $r->[0]<=3578)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=7047
                                        && $r->[0]<=7051)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=10140
                                        && $r->[0]<=10143)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=14080
                                        && $r->[0]<=14083)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=18104
                                        && $r->[0]<=18107)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=21140
                                        && $r->[0]<=21143)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=24919
                                        && $r->[0]<=24922)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=28180
                                        && $r->[0]<=28183)
                                        || ($r->[0]>=50318
                                        &&
                                        $r->[0]<=50321))",<br>
                                                 "code":null,<br>
                                                 "user":"on all/ft4"<br>
                                              }<br>
                                           },<br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div><u><b style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</b><b><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span></b><span style="font-family:monospace"><b>20m/ft8</b></span></u><font face="monospace"><br>
                                        </font></div>
                                      <br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br>
                                              "reject":{<br>
                                               
                                         "asc":"(($r->[0]>=14074
                                        &&
                                        $r->[0]<=14077))",<br>
                                                 "code":null,<br>
                                                 "user":"on 20m/ft8"<br>
                                              }<br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><font face="monospace"><br>
                                      </font></div>
                                    <div><b><u><span style="font-family:monospace">rej/spot o</span><span style="font-family:monospace">n </span><span style="font-family:monospace">all/ft8 or on all/ft4</span></u></b><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><b><span style="font-family:monospace"><br>
                                        </span></b></div>
                                    <font face="monospace">"filter1":{<br>
                                            "reject":{<br>
                                             
                                       "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840
                                      && $r->[0]<=1843) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=3573 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=3576) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=7074 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=7077) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=10131 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=10134) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=14074 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=14077) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=18100 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=18103) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=21074 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=21077) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=24915 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=24918) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=28074 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=28077) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=50313 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=50316)) ||
                                      (($r->[0]>=3575 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=3578) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=7047 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=7051) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=10140 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=10143) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=14080 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=14083) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=18104 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=18107) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=21140 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=21143) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=24919 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=24922) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=28180 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=28183) ||
                                      ($r->[0]>=50318 &&
                                      $r->[0]<=50321))",<br>
                                               "code":null,<br>
                                               "user":"on all/ft8 or on
                                      all/ft4"<br>
                                            }</font><br clear="all">
                                    <div>
                                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il
                                      giorno dom 13 ott 2024 alle ore
                                      11:30 Keith Maton via
                                      Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                                      ha scritto:<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div>That’s what I’ve done, the
                                        frequency pairs I listed are the
                                        base FT8 and FT4 frequencies for
                                        each band, plus 3kHz.  FT8 is
                                        often spotted as the base
                                        frequency plus the offset people
                                        are transmitting on so yes, it
                                        could be up to 3kHz above the
                                        base.
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>At the moment, if someone
                                          sets a filter <b>rej/spot on
                                            all/data</b>, it doesn’t
                                          block FT8 or FT4 on all
                                          bands.  The data filter should
                                          block <i>all</i> data,
                                          including FT4/8 and adding
                                          these pairs to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>
                                          will fix that.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>73 Keith</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div><br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>On 13 Oct 2024, at
                                                10:10, Kin EA3CV via
                                                Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                                                wrote:</div>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">I
                                                    would propose at
                                                    least a 3/4 kHz
                                                    range to ensure that
                                                    the spot frequency
                                                    is always in the
                                                    defined range.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">It
                                                    would be interesting
                                                    if those who usually
                                                    use the various
                                                    digital modes
                                                    prepared their
                                                    ranges.<br>
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                                                  <div dir="auto">Kin
                                                    EA3CV</div>
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                                                    <div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003divRplyFwdMsg" style="font-size:11pt"><strong>De:</strong> IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                                      <strong>Enviado:</strong>
                                                      domingo, octubre
                                                      13, 2024 10:33:24
                                                      a. m.<br>
                                                      <strong>Para:</strong>
                                                      The DXSpider
                                                      Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br>
                                                      <strong>CC:</strong>
                                                      Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br>
                                                      <strong>Asunto:</strong>
                                                      Re:
                                                      [Dxspider-support]
                                                      <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">Hi,
                                                      <div>this change
                                                        is quite easy to
                                                        implement in <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a></div>
                                                      <div>I'm not so
                                                        expert on FT8.
                                                        Do we really
                                                        want to block
                                                        the whole range?</div>
                                                      <div>I mean, i.e,
                                                        for ft8 on
                                                        20m is it
                                                        better to block
                                                        only 14074 or
                                                        from 14074 to
                                                        14077 ?</div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>Andrea</div>
                                                      <div> <br clear="all">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">--></div>
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                                                    <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                      <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 12 ott 2024 alle ore 19:15 Kin via
                                                        Dxspider-support
                                                        <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                                                        ha scritto:<br>
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                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:12pt">Hello</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt">,</span></p><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Good idea, Keith.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt"> <span>busy</span> <span>with</span> <span>other</span>
                                                          <span>things</span>
                                                          at <span>the</span>
                                                          <span>moment</span>,
                                                          <span>but</span>
                                                          <span>I'll</span>
                                                          <span>make</span>
                                                          a note <span>of</span>
                                                          <span>it</span>
                                                          in case no <span>one</span>
                                                          <span>else</span>
                                                          <span>is</span>
                                                          up <span>for</span>
                                                          <span>it</span>.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">73 de Kin EA3CV</span></p><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><br></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>De:</span></b><span> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                                                          <b>En nombre
                                                          de </b>Keith
                                                          Maton via
                                                          Dxspider-support<br>
                                                          <b>Enviado el:</b>
                                                          sábado, 12 de
                                                          octubre de
                                                          2024 16:01<br>
                                                          <b>Para:</b>
                                                          The DXSpider
                                                          Support list
                                                          <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br>
                                                          <b>CC:</b>
                                                          Keith Maton
                                                          <<a href="mailto:g6nhu@me.com" target="_blank">g6nhu@me.com</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Asunto:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [Dxspider-support]
                                                          <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a></span></p>
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                                                          </div><div> <br></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’ve been helping a number of my users to filter
                                                          out FT8 spots
                                                          and I’ve been
                                                          setting up
                                                          frequency
                                                          segments for
                                                          them because
                                                          setting
                                                          rej/spot
                                                          filters for
                                                          data doesn’t
                                                          seem to work
                                                          very well with
                                                          FT8 spots
                                                          getting
                                                          through.</span></p>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Looking at <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>, I think it’s clear
                                                          why, a lot of
                                                          bands don’t
                                                          have the FT8
                                                          frequency
                                                          specified in
                                                          the data
                                                          entry.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>For example, the main FT8 frequency on 30m is
                                                          10,131.000 kHz
                                                          but <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>
                                                          has 10141,
                                                          10149.  I’m
                                                          not sure if
                                                          these are spot
                                                          frequencies or
                                                          a range from
                                                          10141-10149.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>17m lists 18101,18108 but the main FT8 frequency
                                                          for that band
                                                          is 18100.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>12m lists 24920,24929 but the main FT8 frequency
                                                          is 24915</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I know <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> was updated earlier
                                                          this year but
                                                          I think we
                                                          need some more
                                                          entries in for
                                                          FT8/FT4, etc. 
                                                          If the entries
                                                          are ranges
                                                          then it should
                                                          be
                                                          straightforward
                                                          to add
                                                          additional
                                                          ones for FT8
                                                          and FT4.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>My suggestions for the primary HF bands.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>FT8:</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>1840,1843</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>3573,3576</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>7074,7077</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>10131,10134</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>14074,14077</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>18100,18103</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>24915,24918</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>28074,28077</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>FT4:</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>3575,3578</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>7047,7051</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>10140,10143</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>14080,14083</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>18104,18107</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>21140,21143</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>24919,24922</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>28180,28183</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I appreciate that there’s slight overlap on some
                                                          of these and
                                                          that it won’t
                                                          stop spots for
                                                          DXpeditions
                                                          that operate
                                                          outside the
                                                          normal
                                                          frequencies
                                                          but if we can
                                                          get all these
                                                          added to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>
                                                          as part of the
                                                          data segments,
                                                          it’ll really
                                                          help us.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>73 Keith</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 19 Apr 2024, at 12:11, Kin EA3CV via
                                                          Dxspider-support
                                                          <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
                                                          </div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Hi,</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">It
                                                          is true that
                                                          there are
                                                          users who
                                                          limit
                                                          themselves to
                                                          the exclusive
                                                          use of the
                                                          BandMap, but
                                                          others apply
                                                          filters from
                                                          their log/test
                                                          sw, and these
                                                          are generally
                                                          those of the
                                                          cluster used.
                                                          We must not
                                                          forget those
                                                          who still use
                                                          the command
                                                          interface.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">For
                                                          a long time
                                                          banding has
                                                          evolved very
                                                          slowly, but
                                                          lately we have
                                                          more bands. I
                                                          would opt for
                                                          a mixed model,
                                                          that is, using
                                                          the IARU band
                                                          plan and
                                                          rigorously
                                                          adapting it to
                                                          the de facto
                                                          use of some
                                                          that have
                                                          carved out a
                                                          niche for
                                                          themselves in
                                                          the spectrum.
                                                          To answer, the
                                                          same.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Now
                                                          I have a first
                                                          version of the
                                                          plan for
                                                          Region I, and
                                                          it would be
                                                          interesting if
                                                          other users
                                                          could
                                                          contribute II
                                                          and III
                                                          Region. It is
                                                          recast into a
                                                          single one and
                                                          we designate
                                                          the typical
                                                          segments.</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Regards, </span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Roboto;background:white;color:rgb(77,81,86)">Kin
                                                          EA3CV</span><span></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><div><span> </span><br></div>
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