<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I have been watching this thread only sporadically and missed its genesis. Apologies if my question was answered earlier.<div><br></div><div>The vast majority of spots are skimmer generated. They already come tagged with CW, RTTY, FT4, or FT8 and there is no ambiguity what mode they are, regardless of frequency. These mode tags are further used by downstream apps like loggers. During RTTY contests RTTY spots can be all over the bands. In addition, DXpeditions don’t necessarily stick to the official FT watering holes.</div><div><br></div><div>So why impose hard rules on spots based on frequency?<br><div><br></div><div>Rudy N2WQ</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.</span></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 16, 2024, at 9:02 AM, g4piq--- via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dirks suggested you speak with me since I made some of the previous changes. This looks good. I had thought about making the FT8/4 segments 4 kHz wide rather than 3 kHz, but in reality it seems there are no/very few spots above a 3 kHz audio frequency – so 3 kHz as you have implemented works better and avoid dropping RTTY / SSB spots if you had rej/ft8 selected – though it’s a real minor corner case. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just a few suggestions…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would add 50323-50326 to the 6m FT8 range – it’s a commonly used 2<sup>nd</sup> slot for inter-continental FT8. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, you could add FT8 70154-70157 for 4m, 144174-144177 for 2m and 432174-432177 for 70cm. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You could add FT8 - 5357 – 5340 for 6m.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">73<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andy, G4PIQ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 October 2024 09:30<br><b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] bands.pl<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">new file here<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 23:29 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">This process about copying the file to /spider/local_data is what I was saying in my earlier email (I said <i>"The supplied <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> is in /spider/data. I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data?”</i>)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I’ve just spent the last hour trying to make it work with no success.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If I copy <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> over to /spider/local_data and edit it there, then load it using load/bands and reload the filters as a user, it’s still using the file in /spider/data<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I can see this very quickly because if I do a <b>show/dx filter real 30</b>, I’m getting spots that should be filtered out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Editing the file in /spider/data, updating using load/bands and reloading the filters, it’s working as expected but it simply doesn’t seem to load the file from /spider/local_data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Yes, the permissions were correct (sysop:sysop).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone else test this please?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea, 30m needs changing on your version. It should be 10136,10139 for FT8, not 10131,10134 (my mistake on my earlier message).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Oct 2024, at 19:10, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(Andrea) Please don't do that. When an update is installed it will reset your /spider/data/<a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> and you will lose all your changes. <br><br>The correct thing to do is to copy /spider/data/<a href="http://band.pl" target="_blank">band.pl</a> to /spider/local_data and modify it there. A 'load/bands' will pick your modified version as the modification date is newer than the one in /spider/data. If there is an update then the one in /spider/data will be used but - importantly - your version in /spider/local_data will not change. So you *could* 'touch /spider/local_data/<a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>' to get your version back again. <br><br>The (system) <a href="http://bands.pl" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> changes very rarely, in fact it was changed this year for the first time since 2021. I am open to suggestions for changes, particularly for new mode band sections (assuming that they are stable). Please coordinate with Andy G4PIQ as he knows more about band plans than I do. If your changes are more general then I would be happy to incorporate them. <br><br>73 Dirk<br><br><br>On 15/10/2024 13:41, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">you can rename the original file as bands.old and copy the modified one in the /spider/data. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Then you have to run the command load/bands<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">No reboot is needed<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 11:18 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Understood Andrea, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I didn’t look beyond the new entries and hadn’t spotted you’d added them to the data segments.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The supplied <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> is in /spider/data. I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data? Does spider need to be restarted in order to use the replacement file?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dirk, are you happy to take a look over this and consider implementing it in a future release if you’re happy with it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 15 Oct 2024, at 06:59, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Keith, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">FT* frequencies were added as data mode and as well as specific mode using ft8/ft4 name to have more granularity if you want to block only ft8/ft4.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And yes, you already have the specific filter for RTTY.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you look at the first example in my previous email you can see that FT* frequencies are included in the data mode.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Il giorno lun 14 ott 2024 alle ore 23:11 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi Andrea, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, but shouldn’t these be included as data, rather than given new names? I mean, by definition, FT8 and FT4 are data modes. I don’t think they need to be differentiated, we don’t have separate filters for RTTY and PSK, it’s all just data.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 14 Oct 2024, at 21:15, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I modified the <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> file.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">You can download it from here: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Below some filter examples with the detailed freq range.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">iz2lsc<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">rej/spot on all/data</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1838 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3570 && $r->[0]<=3619) || ($r->[0]>=5366 && $r->[0]<=5467) || ($r->[0]>=7040 && $r->[0]<=7100) || ($r->[0]>=10141 && $r->[0]<=10149) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14070 && $r->[0]<=14098) || ($r->[0]>=14101 && $r->[0]<=14111) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18108) || ($r->[0]>=21070 && $r->[0]<=21119) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24920 && $r->[0]<=24929) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28050 && $r->[0]<=28149) || ($r->[0]>=29200 && $r->[0]<=29299) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50300 && $r->[0]<=50500) || ($r->[0]>=5670000 && $r->[0]<=5700000))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/data"</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">rej/spot on all/ft8</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8"<br> }</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">rej/spot on all/ft4</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft4"<br> }<br> },</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">rej/spot on 20m/ft8</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on 20m/ft8"<br> }</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">rej/spot on all/ft8 or on all/ft4</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316)) || (($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8 or on all/ft4"<br> }</span><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Il giorno dom 13 ott 2024 alle ore 11:30 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">That’s what I’ve done, the frequency pairs I listed are the base FT8 and FT4 frequencies for each band, plus 3kHz. FT8 is often spotted as the base frequency plus the offset people are transmitting on so yes, it could be up to 3kHz above the base. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At the moment, if someone sets a filter <b>rej/spot on all/data</b>, it doesn’t block FT8 or FT4 on all bands. The data filter should block <i>all</i> data, including FT4/8 and adding these pairs to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> will fix that.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 13 Oct 2024, at 10:10, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I would propose at least a 3/4 kHz range to ensure that the spot frequency is always in the defined range.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">It would be interesting if those who usually use the various digital modes prepared their ranges.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003mail-editor-reference-message-container"><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De:</span></strong> IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Enviado:</span></strong> domingo, octubre 13, 2024 10:33:24 a. m.<br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Para:</span></strong> The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">CC:</span></strong> Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Asunto:</span></strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">this change is quite easy to implement in <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm not so expert on FT8. Do we really want to block the whole range?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I mean, i.e, for ft8 on 20m is it better to block only 14074 or from 14074 to 14077 ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Andrea<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Il giorno sab 12 ott 2024 alle ore 19:15 Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hello,</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt">Good idea, Keith.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt">I'm busy with other things at the moment, but I'll make a note of it in case no one else is up for it.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt">73 de Kin EA3CV</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES"> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>> <b>En nombre de </b>Keith Maton via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 12 de octubre de 2024 16:01<br><b>Para:</b> The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b> Keith Maton <<a href="mailto:g6nhu@me.com" target="_blank">g6nhu@me.com</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">I’ve been helping a number of my users to filter out FT8 spots and I’ve been setting up frequency segments for them because setting rej/spot filters for data doesn’t seem to work very well with FT8 spots getting through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">Looking at <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a>, I think it’s clear why, a lot of bands don’t have the FT8 frequency specified in the data entry.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">For example, the main FT8 frequency on 30m is 10,131.000 kHz but <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> has 10141, 10149. I’m not sure if these are spot frequencies or a range from 10141-10149.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">17m lists 18101,18108 but the main FT8 frequency for that band is 18100.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">12m lists 24920,24929 but the main FT8 frequency is 24915<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">I know <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> was updated earlier this year but I think we need some more entries in for FT8/FT4, etc. If the entries are ranges then it should be straightforward to add additional ones for FT8 and FT4.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">My suggestions for the primary HF bands.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">FT8:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">1840,1843<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">3573,3576<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">7074,7077<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">10131,10134<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">14074,14077<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">18100,18103<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">24915,24918<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">28074,28077<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">FT4:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">3575,3578<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">7047,7051<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">10140,10143<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">14080,14083<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">18104,18107<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">21140,21143<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">24919,24922<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">28180,28183<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">I appreciate that there’s slight overlap on some of these and that it won’t stop spots for DXpeditions that operate outside the normal frequencies but if we can get all these added to <a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank">bands.pl</a> as part of the data segments, it’ll really help us.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES">On 19 Apr 2024, at 12:11, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">Hi,</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">It is true that there are users who limit themselves to the exclusive use of the BandMap, but others apply filters from their log/test sw, and these are generally those of the cluster used. We must not forget those who still use the command interface.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">For a long time banding has evolved very slowly, but lately we have more bands. I would opt for a mixed model, that is, using the IARU band plan and rigorously adapting it to the de facto use of some that have carved out a niche for themselves in the spectrum. To answer, the same.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">Now I have a first version of the plan for Region I, and it would be interesting if other users could contribute II and III Region. It is recast into a single one and we designate the typical segments.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">Regards, </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="ES" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:#4D5156;background:white">Kin EA3CV</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div 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