<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">That document doesn’t seem to be available without joining the group.<div><br></div><div>I don’t see the relevance here. <b>set/noft8</b> etc are not valid dxspider commands although if these changes are made, <b>rej/spot on all/ft8</b> will be valid. </div><div><br></div><div>FT8 and FT4 are data. What’s actually wrong with adding their frequencies to the ‘data’ segment in bands.pl? These modes have been around for years now and the frequencies are more defined than RTTY but yet there are RTTY segments defined in the current bands.pl</div><div><br></div><div>I know about SSIDs, I use multiple ones myself and am logged into my own node via a telnet session using one to test the suggested changes. </div><div><br></div><div>I don’t see how in any way whatsoever that things could be harmed by making these changes. </div><div><br></div><div>You asked "So why impose hard rules on spots based on frequency?”. The answer is because it improves the user experience, it means someone can filter out those modes with a single command which is something they can’t do now. As I said before, not everyone is using software that can filter on the info text or which is able to do any filtering whatsoever and so it has to be done at source. If we can offer our users the chance to do it with a single command rather than a whole bunch of complicated frequency filters, why wouldn’t we? </div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 17 Oct 2024, at 12:57, Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div dir="auto">We had the same discussion on the Yankee Clipper Contest Club reflector. Hers what I suggested:<div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; caret-color: rgb(51, 51, 51); color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><ul dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 10px; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">Pick a DXSpider or CC Cluster cluster. Both filter out busted spots. See page 7 of <a href="https://groups.io/g/yccc/files/All-Things-Telnet/N2WQ%20-%20On%20Spots_04-2024.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" style="box-sizing: border-box; color: rgb(47, 111, 167); text-decoration: none; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">https://groups.io/g/yccc/files/All-Things-Telnet/N2WQ%20-%20On%20Spots_04-2024.pdf</a></li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><b style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">CW contests</b></li><ul dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/SKIMMER</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NORTTY</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOFT8</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOFT4</li></ul><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><b style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">RTTY contests</b></li><ul style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/SKIMMER</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOCW</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOFT8</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOFT4</li></ul><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><b style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">Digi contests</b></li><ul dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/SKIMMER</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOCW</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NORTTY</li></ul><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><b style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SSB contests</b></li><ul dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><li style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">SET/NOSKIMMER</li></ul></ul><div style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">To make it clear- RBN/SKIMMER spots already arrive with a mode tag. There is no guessing. This is what they look like:</div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><div style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; font-size: 9px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(255, 0, 0); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>VA3UXA -> 64 DX de VE3EID-#:<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>14058.1<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>KE0YDN<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>7 dB<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>18 WPM<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>CQ<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>1758Z</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; font-size: 9px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica; color: rgb(255, 0, 0); overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>VA3UXA -> 64 DX de VE3EID-#:<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>21090.0<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>PX0FF<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>10 dB <span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>6 FT8<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>CQ HI36 1507<span class="ydpc10359c9Apple-converted-space" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"> </span>1758Z</div></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">See page 13 of the PDF above for how to define a preferred spotter (would be VE3EID-# in the example above). On the same slide, the screenshot on the right shows how to select contest bands and contest modes for configuring what to show on the available Mult & Q dashboard.</div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">You can create so called SSIDs, such N2WQ-10, N2WQ-20, etc. and when you login using them, the settings from one SSID won't be applied to the others. That is, you can have a SSID for CW, RTTY, etc. One word of caution- I don't know how this will impact the ability to see who has spotted you. CC Cluster and DXSpider by default pass spots that match the login call, but I don't know if the logic applies to the different SSIDs. The same applies to N1MM as I don't know if the logger ignores the -nn number.</div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"></div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;">Rudy N2WQ</div><div dir="ltr" style="box-sizing: border-box; overflow-wrap: break-word !important;"><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.</span></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 17, 2024, at 3:31 AM, Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Because at the moment, users who use the command "<b>rej/spot on all/data</b>” don’t get what they’re expecting. FTx spots on most bands still get through and not everyone is using downstream software that blocks spots based on info text. There’s never going to be SSB or CW in the few kHz per band that are used for FT8 and FT4 so it makes sense to add these spot frequencies (plus 3kHz) to the ‘data’ segment in bands.pl.<div><br></div><div>I agree that it won’t catch everything but it’ll certainly filter out a lot more than it does now. </div><div><br></div><div>The most common question I get asked from my users is “How do I only get SSB/CW spots?” Most of the time, they’ve already tried the data filter and found it doesn’t work properly.</div><div><br></div><div>Currently, I tell them to do this.</div><div><br></div><div><div>rej/spot 0 on all/data</div><div>rej/spot 1 on 1839/1844 or on 3572/3580 or on 7073/7078 or on 7047/7051</div><div>rej/spot 2 on 10130/10144 or on 14073/14085 or on 18099/18109</div><div>rej/spot 3 on 21073/21080 or on 21139/21143</div><div>rej/spot 4 on 24914/24924 or on 28073/28078 or on 28179/28184</div><div>rej/spot 5 on 50312/50327 or on 50322/50327</div><div>rej/spot 6 info FT8 or info FT4 or info RTTY or info PSK</div></div><div><br></div><div>If I can tell them to just do this, it’ll be so much easier for them and so much better all round. </div><div><br></div><div><div>rej/spot 0 on all/data</div><div>rej/spot 1 info FT8 or info FT4 or info RTTY or info PSK</div></div><div><div><br></div><div>73 Keith</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 16 Oct 2024, at 14:15, Rudy Bakalov via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I have been watching this thread only sporadically and missed its genesis. Apologies if my question was answered earlier.</span><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">The vast majority of spots are skimmer generated. They already come tagged with CW, RTTY, FT4, or FT8 and there is no ambiguity what mode they are, regardless of frequency. These mode tags are further used by downstream apps like loggers. During RTTY contests RTTY spots can be all over the bands. In addition, DXpeditions don’t necessarily stick to the official FT watering holes.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">So why impose hard rules on spots based on frequency?<br><div><br></div><div>Rudy N2WQ</div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.</span></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Oct 16, 2024, at 9:02 AM, g4piq--- via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Dirks suggested you speak with me since I made some of the previous changes. This looks good. I had thought about making the FT8/4 segments 4 kHz wide rather than 3 kHz, but in reality it seems there are no/very few spots above a 3 kHz audio frequency – so 3 kHz as you have implemented works better and avoid dropping RTTY / SSB spots if you had rej/ft8 selected – though it’s a real minor corner case.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Just a few suggestions…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>I would add 50323-50326 to the 6m FT8 range – it’s a commonly used 2<sup>nd</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>slot for inter-continental FT8.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Also, you could add FT8 70154-70157 for 4m, 144174-144177 for 2m and 432174-432177 for 70cm.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>You could add FT8 - 5357 – 5340 for 6m.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>73<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>Andy, G4PIQ<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 October 2024 09:30<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] bands.pl<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">new file here<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jBDNTcZgEVidWPycXPXhGdMgirPNW2CK/view?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea<br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 23:29 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This process about copying the file to /spider/local_data is what I was saying in my earlier email (I said<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>"The supplied<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is in /spider/data. I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data?”</i>)<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I’ve just spent the last hour trying to make it work with no success.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If I copy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>over to /spider/local_data and edit it there, then load it using load/bands and reload the filters as a user, it’s still using the file in /spider/data<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I can see this very quickly because if I do a <b>show/dx filter real 30</b>, I’m getting spots that should be filtered out.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Editing the file in /spider/data, updating using load/bands and reloading the filters, it’s working as expected but it simply doesn’t seem to load the file from /spider/local_data.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Yes, the permissions were correct (sysop:sysop).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Can anyone else test this please?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea, 30m needs changing on your version. It should be 10136,10139 for FT8, not 10131,10134 (my mistake on my earlier message).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 15 Oct 2024, at 19:10, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">(Andrea) Please don't do that. When an update is installed it will reset your /spider/data/<a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and you will lose all your changes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>The correct thing to do is to copy /spider/data/<a href="http://band.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">band.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to /spider/local_data and modify it there. A 'load/bands' will pick your modified version as the modification date is newer than the one in /spider/data. If there is an update then the one in /spider/data will be used but - importantly - your version in /spider/local_data will not change. So you *could* 'touch /spider/local_data/<a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a>' to get your version back again. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>The (system)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>changes very rarely, in fact it was changed this year for the first time since 2021. I am open to suggestions for changes, particularly for new mode band sections (assuming that they are stable). Please coordinate with Andy G4PIQ as he knows more about band plans than I do. If your changes are more general then I would be happy to incorporate them.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>73 Dirk<br><br><br>On 15/10/2024 13:41, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">you can rename the original file as bands.old and copy the modified one in the /spider/data.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Then you have to run the command load/bands<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">No reboot is needed<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il giorno mar 15 ott 2024 alle ore 11:18 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Understood Andrea,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I didn’t look beyond the new entries and hadn’t spotted you’d added them to the data segments.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">The supplied<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is in /spider/data. I know better than to overwrite files there so should this be placed in /spider/local_data? Does spider need to be restarted in order to use the replacement file?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dirk, are you happy to take a look over this and consider implementing it in a future release if you’re happy with it?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 15 Oct 2024, at 06:59, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Keith, <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">FT* frequencies were added as data mode and as well as specific mode using ft8/ft4 name to have more granularity if you want to block only ft8/ft4.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">And yes, you already have the specific filter for RTTY.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If you look at the first example in my previous email you can see that FT* frequencies are included in the data mode.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il giorno lun 14 ott 2024 alle ore 23:11 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi Andrea,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks, but shouldn’t these be included as data, rather than given new names? I mean, by definition, FT8 and FT4 are data modes. I don’t think they need to be differentiated, we don’t have separate filters for RTTY and PSK, it’s all just data.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 14 Oct 2024, at 21:15, IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi, <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I modified the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>file.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">You can download it from here: <a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mfwKtz7WxhWMK16KLjp9GzAsLAiQ5tEx/view?usp=sharing</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Below some filter examples with the detailed freq range.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">73<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">iz2lsc<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">rej/spot on all/data</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1838 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3570 && $r->[0]<=3619) || ($r->[0]>=5366 && $r->[0]<=5467) || ($r->[0]>=7040 && $r->[0]<=7100) || ($r->[0]>=10141 && $r->[0]<=10149) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14070 && $r->[0]<=14098) || ($r->[0]>=14101 && $r->[0]<=14111) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18108) || ($r->[0]>=21070 && $r->[0]<=21119) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24920 && $r->[0]<=24929) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28050 && $r->[0]<=28149) || ($r->[0]>=29200 && $r->[0]<=29299) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50300 && $r->[0]<=50500) || ($r->[0]>=5670000 && $r->[0]<=5700000))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/data"</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">rej/spot on all/ft8</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8"<br> }</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">rej/spot on all/ft4</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft4"<br> }<br> },</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">rej/spot on 20m/ft8</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on 20m/ft8"<br> }</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><u><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">rej/spot on all/ft8 or on all/ft4</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Courier New";">"filter1":{<br> "reject":{<br> "asc":"(($r->[0]>=1840 && $r->[0]<=1843) || ($r->[0]>=3573 && $r->[0]<=3576) || ($r->[0]>=7074 && $r->[0]<=7077) || ($r->[0]>=10131 && $r->[0]<=10134) || ($r->[0]>=14074 && $r->[0]<=14077) || ($r->[0]>=18100 && $r->[0]<=18103) || ($r->[0]>=21074 && $r->[0]<=21077) || ($r->[0]>=24915 && $r->[0]<=24918) || ($r->[0]>=28074 && $r->[0]<=28077) || ($r->[0]>=50313 && $r->[0]<=50316)) || (($r->[0]>=3575 && $r->[0]<=3578) || ($r->[0]>=7047 && $r->[0]<=7051) || ($r->[0]>=10140 && $r->[0]<=10143) || ($r->[0]>=14080 && $r->[0]<=14083) || ($r->[0]>=18104 && $r->[0]<=18107) || ($r->[0]>=21140 && $r->[0]<=21143) || ($r->[0]>=24919 && $r->[0]<=24922) || ($r->[0]>=28180 && $r->[0]<=28183) || ($r->[0]>=50318 && $r->[0]<=50321))",<br> "code":null,<br> "user":"on all/ft8 or on all/ft4"<br> }</span><br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il giorno dom 13 ott 2024 alle ore 11:30 Keith Maton via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That’s what I’ve done, the frequency pairs I listed are the base FT8 and FT4 frequencies for each band, plus 3kHz. FT8 is often spotted as the base frequency plus the offset people are transmitting on so yes, it could be up to 3kHz above the base.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">At the moment, if someone sets a filter<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>rej/spot on all/data</b>, it doesn’t block FT8 or FT4 on all bands. The data filter should block<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>all</i>data, including FT4/8 and adding these pairs to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>will fix that.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 13 Oct 2024, at 10:10, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I would propose at least a 3/4 kHz range to ensure that the spot frequency is always in the defined range.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">It would be interesting if those who usually use the various digital modes prepared their ranges.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></div><div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003divRplyFwdMsg"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">De:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IZ2LSC <<a href="mailto:iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Enviado:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>domingo, octubre 13, 2024 10:33:24 a. m.<br><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Para:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">CC:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Asunto:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Hi,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">this change is quite easy to implement in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I'm not so expert on FT8. Do we really want to block the whole range?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I mean, i.e, for ft8 on 20m is it better to block only 14074 or from 14074 to 14077 ?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Andrea<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Il giorno sab 12 ott 2024 alle ore 19:15 Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;">Hello,</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;">Good idea, Keith.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;">I'm busy with other things at the moment, but I'll make a note of it in case no one else is up for it.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;">73 de Kin EA3CV</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span lang="ES"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Keith Maton via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>sábado, 12 de octubre de 2024 16:01<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Keith Maton <<a href="mailto:g6nhu@me.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">g6nhu@me.com</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">I’ve been helping a number of my users to filter out FT8 spots and I’ve been setting up frequency segments for them because setting rej/spot filters for data doesn’t seem to work very well with FT8 spots getting through.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">Looking at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a>, I think it’s clear why, a lot of bands don’t have the FT8 frequency specified in the data entry.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">For example, the main FT8 frequency on 30m is 10,131.000 kHz but<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>has 10141, 10149. I’m not sure if these are spot frequencies or a range from 10141-10149.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">17m lists 18101,18108 but the main FT8 frequency for that band is 18100.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">12m lists 24920,24929 but the main FT8 frequency is 24915<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">I know<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>was updated earlier this year but I think we need some more entries in for FT8/FT4, etc. If the entries are ranges then it should be straightforward to add additional ones for FT8 and FT4.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">My suggestions for the primary HF bands.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">FT8:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">1840,1843<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">3573,3576<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">7074,7077<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">10131,10134<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">14074,14077<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">18100,18103<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">24915,24918<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">28074,28077<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">FT4:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">3575,3578<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">7047,7051<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">10140,10143<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">14080,14083<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">18104,18107<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">21140,21143<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">24919,24922<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">28180,28183<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">I appreciate that there’s slight overlap on some of these and that it won’t stop spots for DXpeditions that operate outside the normal frequencies but if we can get all these added to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bands.pl/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">bands.pl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>as part of the data segments, it’ll really help us.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">73 Keith<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">On 19 Apr 2024, at 12:11, Kin EA3CV via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">Hi,</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">It is true that there are users who limit themselves to the exclusive use of the BandMap, but others apply filters from their log/test sw, and these are generally those of the cluster used. We must not forget those who still use the command interface.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">For a long time banding has evolved very slowly, but lately we have more bands. I would opt for a mixed model, that is, using the IARU band plan and rigorously adapting it to the de facto use of some that have carved out a niche for themselves in the spectrum. To answer, the same.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">Now I have a first version of the plan for Region I, and it would be interesting if other users could contribute II and III Region. It is recast into a single one and we designate the typical segments.</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">Regards, </span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Roboto; color: rgb(77, 81, 86); background: white;">Kin EA3CV</span><span lang="ES"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div id="m_-6491186922666143673m_-5473281221326531974m_-5662885382501715112m_-5968506488702685003m_-1343227021191326505ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">Enviado desde<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Outlook para Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang="ES">_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; 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text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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