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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=ES link=blue vlink=purple style='tab-interval:35.4pt;word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Björn,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Analyzing</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>code</span>, I <span class=SpellE>think</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>behavior</span> <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>this</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>A spot <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>received</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>(1736855040)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PC61^28470.0^A71A^14-Jan-2025^1144Z^Tnx ciao^IT9IVN^EA4RCH-5^5.90.149.187^H1^~<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1736855040 <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>rounded</span> <span class=SpellE>according</span> <span class=SpellE>to</span> a $<span class=SpellE>timegranularity</span> = 600 (mod 600), <span class=SpellE>which</span> <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>same</span> as -4 min.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1736855040 -> 1736854800<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>11:44:00<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>-> 11:40:00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And he <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>left</span> <span class=SpellE>with</span> a hash <span class=SpellE>like</span> <span class=SpellE>this</span> <span class=SpellE>for</span> <span class=SpellE>comparison</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>X|A71A|IT9IVN|28475||1736854800|TNXCIAO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Duration</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <span class=SpellE>of</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>duplicate</span> spots --> $<span class=GramE>Spot::</span><span class=SpellE>dupage</span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>= 3600<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>It</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>added</span> <span class=SpellE>to</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>dupefile</span> <span class=SpellE>with</span> a time = $<span class=SpellE><span class=GramE>main</span></span><span class=GramE>::</span><span class=SpellE>systime</span>+$<span class=SpellE>dupage</span>, ergo (<span class=SpellE>Current</span> time +3600)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'># QRG <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>normalised</span> <span class=SpellE>using</span>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>$<span class=GramE>Spot::</span><span class=SpellE>qrggranularity</span> = 25<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>28475 -> <span class=SpellE>Remainder</span> <span class=SpellE>of</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>division</span> 0, <span class=SpellE>we</span> <span class=SpellE>have</span> --> 28475<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ergo, default 25 kHz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'># <span class=SpellE>Self</span> spotting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=SpellE><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Minimum</span></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> <span class=SpellE>freq</span> <span class=SpellE>above</span> <span class=SpellE>which</span> <span class=SpellE>self</span> spotting <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>allowed</span> --<span class=GramE>> <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>$</span>Spot::</span> <span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>$<span class=SpellE>minselfspotqrg</span> = 1240000<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>En nombre de </b>Björn Ekelund via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 14 de enero de 2025 9:27<br><b>Para:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>CC:</b> Björn Ekelund <bjorn@ekelund.nu><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>What does these numbers mean? Is your re-spotting timer really one hour?<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you know what variable controls the minimum frequency change for a spot to <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>be considered not a dupe? Today it seems to be around 5kHz which is far, far too much. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Björn SM7IUN<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 8:28<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>AM Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>is</span> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>advisable</span> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>not</span> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>to</span> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>touch</span> Stop.pm. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>would</span> be <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>enough</span> <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>to</span> do:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>set/<span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>var</span> $<span class=m-7482985722870413569grame>Spot::</span><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>dupage</span> = XXXX</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>set/<span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>var</span> $<span class=m-7482985722870413569grame>Spot::</span><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>timegranularity</span> = ZZZZ</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The default <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>values</span> I <span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>have</span> are:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>$<span class=m-7482985722870413569grame>Spot::</span><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>dupage</span> = 3600</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>$<span class=m-7482985722870413569grame>Spot::</span><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle>timegranularity</span> = 600</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span class=m-7482985722870413569spelle><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kin EA3CV</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dxspider-support <</span><a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>> <b>En nombre de </b>Simon Ravnic via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 13 de enero de 2025 23:58<br><b>Para:</b> The DXSpider Support list <</span><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>CC:</b> Simon Ravnič <</span><a href="mailto:s53zo@t-2.net" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>s53zo@t-2.net</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is an easy way to change it locally. In perl/Spot.pm change<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>dupage = 120; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>timegranularity = 120; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>to allow a dupe spot every 120 seconds. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The issue that remains is that such post is visible only on the original node. It appears that it gets deduped on your partner nodes and is therefore not propagated to the network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>With the new contesting rules where more and more of them allow self-spotting I believe the network should accommodate to this fact.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Simon, S53ZO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>S50DXS sysop<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 13 Jan 2025, at 22:05, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Back to the main topic, <br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Based on tests I did in the past, the logic behind the deduplication is not clear, or at least I cannot understand it.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sometime ago I already wrote about this topic in the list, but no one answered.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I have seen many time spots classified as dupe even if a very long time has passed from last spot.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I also tried to change some parameters on the cluster configuration, but with no luck.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I end up by clearing on my cluster the dupe file every hour, to make the deduplication less aggressive.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andrea, IZ2LSC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Il giorno lun 13 gen 2025 alle ore 19:37 Björn Ekelund via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> ha scritto:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Don't worry, my toes may be large but they can handle a good stepping. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>When I put ham radio aside around 1990 for family and career reasons, DX clusters did <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>not really exist so when I returned in 2016 I had already missed the early days of clusters <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>where all spots were made by humans and the terminal bell went off every time a spot arrived.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I can understand there may be hams wanting to stay with that. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I enjoy CW for pretty much the same nostalgic reasons.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm of course perfectly fine with there being cluster nodes set up and optimized <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>for this type of old school usage. As long the cluster software does not enforce it <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>or prevents more modern ways. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However, the way I see it, a casual user actually has ever more reason to embrace a <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>more modern cluster usage. The casual user does not spend endless hours by the radio <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>so he should have good reasons to maximize his productivity and/or fun. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Having a software (like SpotCollector or HRDLog) monitor the cluster and present <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>maps or lists or graphs with needed DXCC band slots, friends, event stations, etc. is a great <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>way to do exactly this. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>And when you have a piece of software to collect your spots, information overload is no longer <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>an issue and you can tap into as many information sources as you like; RBN, PSKReporter, IRC, etc. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>To get even more productive and have more fun. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>But there are of course different definitions of fun. People do a lot of things that are difficult or <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>uncomfortable for fun. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So perhaps I should have used a bit more respectful language when describing the practices of <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>the early days of clusters.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Björn SM7IUN<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 6:00<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span>PM Rene Olsen via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi.<br><br>To be honest I am not quite sure how to respond to this, without stepping on someones toes. <br>But here it goes.<br><br>You are aware that the DX-Cluster system is also used by casual users, who couldn't care <br>less about bandmaps, contests and what else?<br><br>DX-Clusters have been used just fine for 30+ years, without the use of RBN.<br><br>> A cluster node without skimmer spots is of very little value.<br><br>That is some statement. So what you are saying, is that all DX-Clusters without RBN feed <br>might as well close down? I mean since they are of very little value.<br><br>RBN is probably a good thing for some. But the user can turn it OFF if the user don't want it.<br><br>I don't know how much RBN spots are used on various DX-Clusters. I can only speak for <br>OZ5BBS-7. I have an average of maybe 45-55 users on a daily basis. Not many of them have <br>enabled the RBN feed.<br><br>I doubt that the casual user of a DX-Cluster wants to get a DX spot of some W station spotting <br>itself 930 times during the CQWW contest.<br><br>Its like everything revolves about contesting. Thats not the case.<br><br>Many users who use DX-Clusters, couldn't care less about contests.<br><br>I am not saying that DX-Clusters shouldn't evolve, and we should be stuck at how it was 30 <br>years ago. But, it should be done with the casual DX-Cluster user in mind as well.<br><br>I hope I didn't step on too many toes here :-)<br><br>Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH<br><br><br>On 12 Jan 2025 at 22:51, Björn Ekelund via Dxspider- wrote:<br><br>> A cluster node without skimmer spots is of very little value.<br>> The reverse beacon network produces about 12 million spots on a<br>> big contest weekend. This is consolidated and de-duped into perhaps half a<br>> million.<br>> With this in mind, what makes a few thousand self spots a problem?<br>> <br>> The days of watching the telnet feed scroll by are long gone.<br>> Today computers turn the spot flow into bandmap items and lists of wanted<br>> stations.<br>> The cluster connection is just a data feed. Not a user interface.<br>> <br>> Björn SM7IUN<br>> <br>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 9:41PM Rene Olsen via Dxspider-support <<br>> <a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> <br>> > Hi.<br>> ><br>> > Does this mean that we can get selfspots every 3 minutes from 5000+ users<br>> > or whatever?<br>> ><br>> > If thats the case it is just stupid.<br>> ><br>> > If it is really the case, it makes one wonder if it is even worth running<br>> > a spider node anymore. It<br>> > will totally ruin the entire idea of DX clusters. Which is not to allow<br>> > some OZ station or<br>> > whatever, to send self spot every 3 minutes 24/7.<br>> ><br>> > Just my opinion.<br>> ><br>> > Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH<br>> ><br>> > On 12 Jan 2025 at 18:54, Björn Ekelund via Dxspider- wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > Some of the default settings of DXSpider seem optimized for users staring<br>> > > at the telnet feed.<br>> > ><br>> > > In my scripts/startup I have added<br>> > ><br>> > > set/var $RBN::respottime = 180<br>> > > set/var $Spot::minselfspotqrg 0<br>> > ><br>> > > A cluster node should never suppress a self spot. The minimum self<br>> > spotting<br>> > > periodicity is set<br>> > > by the contest's rules and the cluster should never interfere with this.<br>> > > Typical minimum periods for<br>> > > self spotting in contests are between 3 and 10 minutes.<br>> > ><br>> > > If DXSpider does suppress self spots under certain conditions I would<br>> > like<br>> > > to know how to disable this.<br>> > ><br>> > > Björn SM7IUN<br>> > ><br>> > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 4:35PM Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support <<br>> > > <a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > > Now that self spotting is allowed for a trial period in all RSGB HF<br>> > > > contests, I´ve been asked about self-spotting and submitting duplicate<br>> > > > spots by a couple of my users.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Some time ago I set minselfspotqrg to 0 to allow self spotting but<br>> > what is<br>> > > > the situation regarding duplicates because I understand some logging<br>> > > > software can now self spot every few minutes. I don´t necessarily<br>> > agree<br>> > > > with this but it´s going to happen more and more.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > What´s the period during which the cluster will reject a self spot as a<br>> > > > dupe please and is there a variable that can be tweaked to adjust it?<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Thanks,<br>> > > ><br>> > > > 73 Keith.<br>> > > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > > Dxspider-support mailing list<br>> > > > <a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br>> > > > <a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br>> > > ><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Dxspider-support mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br>> > <a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><br>> ><br>> <br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>