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<div dir="auto">I started this thread but I’ve got a little lost by everything that’s been discussed.<br />
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Kin, can you summarise please.<br />
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What exact commands so I need to enter into my cluster to allow self spotting once a minute with no duplication errors please? I can’t imagine anyone would want (or need to) to self spot more often that.<br />
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73 Keith.<br />
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 17 Jan 2025 at 09:39 +0000, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:<br />
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" style="font-size: 11pt;"><strong>De:</strong> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> en nombre de IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br />
<strong>Enviado:</strong> jueves, enero 16, 2025 11:02:01 p. m.<br />
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<strong>Asunto:</strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication<br /></div>
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<div>when the hash is expired, is it removed from the file?</div>
<div>I can see hash already expired and still present in the file.</div>
<div>Not sure if this is expected.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:12 PM Björn Ekelund via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br /></div>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks. For human spots it makes perfect sense to include the comment.
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 7:06 PM Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>> wrote:<br /></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Björn,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">All</span></span> <span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>this</span> <span>is</span> <span>for</span> non-RBN spots.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:"Courier New"">I <span>don't</span> <span>remember</span> <span>now</span> <span>the</span> <span>treatment</span> <span>of</span> RBN spots.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">De:</span></b> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Björn Ekelund <<a href="mailto:bjorn@ekelund.nu">bjorn@ekelund.nu</a>><br />
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 16 de enero de 2025 18:26<br />
<b>Para:</b> Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br />
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<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kin, <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">this was very clear and very helpful. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for spending the time to do it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am sure others appreciate it too.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion, all comments should be ignored when determining dupes for skimmer spots. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 10:28<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>AM Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Morning</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Björn,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>So <span>timegranularity</span> defines a <span>window</span> <span>within</span> <span>which</span> spots are <span>considered</span> <span>to</span> <span>have</span></span></i> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">><span>the</span> <span>same</span> time, <span>Does</span> <span>this</span> <span>then</span> <span>effectively</span> define <span>the</span> <span>minimum</span> <span>respotting</span> time?</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Yes, <span>timegranularity</span> <span>effectively</span> defines <span>the</span> <span>minimum</span> <span>respotting</span> time. <span>It</span> determines <span>the</span> <span>size</span> <span>of</span> <span>the</span> time <span>window</span> <span>within</span> <span>which</span> spots are <span>considered</span> <span>to</span> <span>have</span> <span>the</span> <span>same</span> <span>timestamp</span>. <span>For</span> <span>example</span>, <span>if</span> <span>timegranularity</span> <span>is</span> set <span>to</span> 600 <span>seconds</span> (10 minutes), <span>any</span> spots <span>reported</span> <span>within</span> <span>the</span> <span>same</span> 10-minute <span>interval</span> <span>will</span> be <span>grouped</span> <span>together</span>, <span>effectively</span> <span>preventing</span> <span>additional</span> spots <span>from</span> <span>being</span> <span>considered</span> <span>separate</span> <span>unless</span> <span>they</span> <span>occur</span> in a <span>different</span> <span>interval</span>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">><span>Or</span> <span>is</span> <span>this</span> <span>the</span> <span>function</span> <span>of</span> <span>dupage</span>? <span>If</span> <span>it</span> <span>is</span>, <span>then</span> I do <span>not</span> <span>see</span> <span>the</span> <span>purpose</span> <span>of</span> <span>quantizing</span></span></i> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>time <span>into</span> <span>timegranularity</span> <span>steps</span>.</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">timegranularity</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>is</span> <span>about</span> <span>standardizing</span> time <span>representation</span>, <span>while</span> <span>dupage</span> <span>enforces</span> <span>the</span> <span>minimum</span> time <span>between</span> <span>duplicate</span> spots.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>And <span>how</span> can 600 be 4 minutes? <span>Is</span> time <span>counted</span> in <span>steps</span> <span>of</span> 0.4s?</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">><span>Does</span> <span>this</span> mean <span>that</span> <span>dupage</span> 3600 <span>is</span> 24 minutes?</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>And <span>what</span> <span>is</span> <span>the</span> <span>function</span> <span>of</span> <span>qrggranularity</span>? <span>My</span> <span>empirical</span> <span>experiments</span> <span>say</span> <span>that</span> I <span>need</span></span></i> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">><span>to</span> <span>move</span> 10kHz <span>away</span> <span>for</span> DXSpider <span>to</span> <span>not</span> <span>consider</span> a new spot a <span>dupe</span>. <span>Not</span> 25kHz.</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">I hope <span>that</span> <span>the</span> <span>following</span> <span>examples</span> <span>will</span> <span>clarify</span> <span>how</span> <span>it</span> <span>works</span>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">><span>All</span> <span>I'm</span> <span>trying</span> <span>to</span> do <span>is</span> <span>to</span> set up <span>my</span> <span>node</span> so <span>that</span></span></i> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>1. a new spot <span>of</span> <span>the</span> <span>same</span> <span>station</span> <span>on</span> <span>the</span> <span>same</span> QRG after more <span>than</span> 3 minutes <span>is</span> <span>never</span> <span>considered</span> a <span>dupe</span></span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>timegranularity</span> = 60</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>dupage</span> = 180</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">You</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>should</span> <span>know</span> <span>that</span> a <span>duplicate</span> <span>is</span> <span>the</span> sum <span>of</span> <span>the</span> <span>fields</span> <span>spotted+spotter+qrg+time+comments</span>, <span>which</span> <span>will</span> <span>generate</span> a hash <span>like</span> <span>this</span>: |IZ0ARL|IK2JTS|7075||1737012600|DTMBAI1823RM. <span>For</span> <span>this</span> <span>reason</span>, <span>just</span> <span>using</span> <span>spotted+qrg+time</span> <span>is</span> <span>not</span> <span>sufficient</span> <span>to</span> determine <span>duplication</span>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>2. a new spot <span>of</span> a <span>station</span> 1kHz <span>away</span> <span>from</span> <span>the</span> <span>previous</span> spot <span>is</span> <span>never</span> <span>considered</span> a <span>dupe</span>.</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>qrggranularity</span> = 1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">>3. <span>self</span> spots are <span>never</span> <span>ever</span> <span>blocked</span></span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>minselfspotqrg</span> = 0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Example</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">* Variables</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>timegranularity</span> = 600 --> 10 min</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>qrggranularity</span> = 25 --> 25 kHz</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>dupage</span> = 3600 --> 1 h</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">* Spot</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">DX de IK2JTS: <span>7065.0 IZ</span>0ARL DTMBA I1823RM 0731Z (1737012660)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Adjusts</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>to</span> <span>the</span> <span>nearest</span> <span>multiple</span> (<span>either</span> <span>downward</span> <span>or</span> <span>upward</span>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">1737012660</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">/600 = 2895021.1 --> 2895021 (round <span>to</span> <span>the</span> <span>nearest</span> <span>integer</span>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">2895021*600 = <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">1737012600</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">7065.0</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">/25 = 282.6 --> 283 (round <span>to</span> <span>the</span> <span>nearest</span> <span>integer</span>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">283×25 = <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">7075</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">* <span>dupefile</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">|IZ0ARL|IK2JTS|<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">7075</span></b>||<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">1737012600</span></b>|DTMBAI1823RM = 16-Jan-2025 0731Z expires 16-Jan-2025 0831Z</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">This</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>means</span> <span>that</span> time <span>is</span> <span>fixed</span> in 10-minute <span>intervals</span>, and <span>frequency</span> <span>is</span> <span>fixed</span> in 25 kHz <span>steps</span>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">* <span>Comparison</span> <span>with</span> <span>different</span> <span>values</span> <span>for</span> <span>the</span> <span>same</span> spot:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">DX de IK2JTS: <span><b>7065.0</b> IZ</span>0ARL DTMBA #I-1823RM <b>0735Z</b> (<b>1737012900</b>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Scenario</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">1:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>timegranularity</span> = 600</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>qrggranularity</span> = 25</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>dupage</span> = 3600</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">|IZ0ARL|IT9JZK|<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">7075</span></b>||<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">1737013200</span></b>|DTMBAI1823RM = 16-Jan-2025 <b>0735Z</b> expires 16-Jan-2025 <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">0835Z</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> (<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">0740Z</span></b>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Scenario</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">2:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>timegranularity</span> = 60</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>qrggranularity</span> = 1</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">$<span>Spot::</span><span>dupage</span> = 300</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">|IZ0ARL|IT9JZK|<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">7065</span></b>||<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">1737012900</span></b>|DTMBAI1823RM = 16-Jan-2025 <b>0735Z</b> expires 16-Jan-2025 <b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">0740Z</span></b></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""> (<b><span style="color: rgb(0, 112, 192);">0735Z</span></b>)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">I'm</span></span> <span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New""><span>not</span> <span>sure</span> <span>if</span> <span>I’ve</span> <span>managed</span> <span>to</span> <span>explain</span> <span>myself</span> <span>clearly</span> <span>this</span> time. <span>This</span> <span>is</span> <span>my</span> <span>interpretation</span> after <span>analyzing</span> <span>the</span> <span>code</span>, <span>from</span> <span>someone</span> <span>who</span> <span>is</span> <span>not</span> <span>an</span> <span>expert</span>. I <span>think</span> <span>the</span> <span>person</span> <span>who</span> can <span>help</span> <span>us</span> <span>best</span> <span>is</span> Dirk, <span>the</span> <span>creator</span> <span>of</span> <span>this</span>. And <span>sorry</span> <span>because</span> <span>my</span> English <span>is</span> terrible</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt; font-family:"Courier New"">Kin EA3CV</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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