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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">Dirk, thanks for the time you’re putting into this, it is appreciated.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">Looking back, when you did the survey into self spotting in March 2023 (I didn’t realise how long ago it was), you said that in the next release, you were going to change the default value of </span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">$Spot::minselfspotqrg from 1240000 to $Spot::minselfspotqrg = 0. I even found the </span><a style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px" href="https://strawpoll.com/polls/6QnMOQzkoZe/results" target="_blank">link</a><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px"> to the survey :-)</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">I think I’d already changed mine down to 0 so I can’t check, but did that happen?</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: medium">Personally, I don’t think we’ll see a deluge of spots - I know I had a handful of people sending them from my node during AFS but I did some checks afterwards and only a very small number of my partner nodes appeared to accept them anyway so unless we all do the same thing, this regular self spotting won’t really achieve much. For this reason, I genuinely think that the default should be on rather than off.</span><span style="font-size: medium"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">73 Keith.</span></div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 28 Jan 2025 at 21:36 +0000, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:<br />
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<p>It was 2:30 hours :-(.</p>
<p>The problem is not a simple one to fix as the minselfspotqrg value is only applied to new dx spot entry on the local machine. $Spot::dupage is effective over all spots, whether locally generated or coming in via links from other nodes, so that is the value to change to taste. One way users have to get around it is to QSY (enough) a lot :-)</p>
<p>Personally, if I had my way, I would track the number of self spots / hour and disconnect any user exceeding that value and (maybe) even impose of some minutes before they were allowed to reconnect. But then I am not a contester nor DXer, so what do I know :-).</p>
<p>However, I do know a few experts (some running specially configured local nodes) that, I suspect, will not welcome the deluge of self spots that are allegedly going to appear.</p>
<p>Equally, this may all be a storm in a tea cup as other contest(s/ers) have had self spotting for some time and I am not sure that it has had much impact so far. Especially as I am not changing the default value of minselfspotqrg , each node will have to do that by startup script.</p>
<p>73 Dirk G1TLH</p>
<p id="reply-intro">On 2025-01-28 19:12, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support wrote:</p>
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<div dir="auto">I thought the default had already been changed after the poll Dirk made some time ago about this. <br />
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<div>On 28 Jan 2025 at 17:43 +0000, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:<br />
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Keith,</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span class="v1SpellE"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Nothing</span></span> <span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span class="v1SpellE">will</span> <span class="v1SpellE">change</span> <span class="v1SpellE">if</span> <span class="v1SpellE">the</span> default variable <span class="v1SpellE">is</span> <span class="v1SpellE">retained</span>:</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span class="v1SpellE"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">sh</span></span><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">/<span class="v1SpellE">var</span> $<span class="v1GramE">Spot::</span><span class="v1SpellE">minselfspotqrg</span></span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal" style="text-indent: 35.4pt;"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">$Spot::<span class="v1SpellE">minselfspotqrg</span> = 1240000<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span> <- 1.2 GHz<br />
<span class="v1SpellE">What</span> Dirk <span class="v1SpellE">is</span> <span class="v1SpellE">implementing</span> <span class="v1SpellE">is</span> <span class="v1SpellE">intended</span> <span class="v1SpellE">for</span> cases <span class="v1SpellE">where</span> a <span class="v1SpellE">sysop</span> <span class="v1SpellE">chooses</span> <span class="v1SpellE">to</span> <span class="v1SpellE">support</span> <span class="v1SpellE">autospots</span>, <span class="v1SpellE">but</span> <span class="v1SpellE">this</span> <span class="v1SpellE">will</span> <span class="v1SpellE">always</span> be <span class="v1SpellE">conditional</span> <span class="v1SpellE">on</span> <span class="v1SpellE">the</span> (>)<span class="v1SpellE">qrg</span> <span class="v1SpellE">value</span> <span class="v1SpellE">of</span> <span class="v1SpellE">the</span> <span class="v1SpellE">aforementioned</span> variable.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Calibri; mso-hansi-font-family: Calibri; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Spider <span class="v1SpellE">is</span> flexible <span class="v1SpellE">enough</span> <span class="v1SpellE">for</span> <span class="v1SpellE">us</span> <span class="v1SpellE">to</span> configure <span class="v1SpellE">it</span> <span class="v1SpellE">to</span> <span class="v1SpellE">suit</span> <span class="v1SpellE">our</span> <span class="v1SpellE">needs</span>—<span class="v1SpellE">or</span> <span class="v1SpellE">almost</span> ;)</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><strong><span style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ES;">De:</span></strong> <span style="mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: ES;">Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <strong>En nombre de</strong> Keith via Dxspider-support<br />
<strong>Enviado el:</strong> martes, 28 de enero de 2025 18:23<br />
<strong>Para:</strong> dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk<br />
<strong>CC:</strong> Keith <keithl@lebs.org.uk><br />
<strong>Asunto:</strong> [Dxspider-support] Self-spotting and de-duplication</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">Hi Dirk</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">If we must have self-spotting please make it a setting that the node sysop can enable as required i.e. on or off.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">It's a shame that the rules have been changed by the RSBGB HF CC and a few operators want us all to fall into line.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">I for one will be reluctant to carry out further software updates if I can't choose which goes against all the hard work that Kin has been doing to tidy up the network.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">Let them create their own network/software if they are that desperate for self-spotting.</span></p>
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<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">Best 73 and thanks for all you do with the software.</span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;"> </span></p>
<p class="v1MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ansi-language: EN-GB;">Keith GU6EFB</span></p>
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