<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Yes, that was my point, i.e. is there any interest in creating a v2 protocol?<div><br></div><div>There was a brief discussion on this subject a couple of years ago on the cluster-tech list.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris - G1FEF</div><div><br></div><div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 10 Feb 2025, at 13:18, Kin <ea3cv@cronux.net> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span class="SpellE"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">That</span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">is</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">what</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a v2<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">network</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">implies</span>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">an</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">evolution</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">of</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">the</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE">protocol</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kin<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Lists via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, 10 de febrero de 2025 12:06<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lists <lists@g1fef.co.uk><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Another flooding of forged spots<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Or a v2 protocol that does include origin identification (and path data) of a spot, along with ssh support for node interconnects, and…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Chris - G1FEF<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>On 10 Feb 2025, at 09:56, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>You can't trace the originating node without having access to all the nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>The only thing that is really effective is for the nodes to be trustworthy, and this can only be achieved with authentication of all node members and users.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Which brings us to a v2 network that can co-exist with the current one, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Kin<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Enviado desde<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Outlook para Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div id="mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: center;"><span><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center"></span></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><strong><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">De:</span></strong><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com><br><strong><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Enviado:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, febrero 10, 2025 9:48:59 a. m.<br><strong><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Para:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><strong><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">CC:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>s50u@s50e.si <s50u@s50e.si>; Kin <ea3cv@cronux.net><br><strong><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Asunto:</span></strong><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Another flooding of forged spots<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>I think we all agree that these spots were deliberately forged by someone that has nothing more interesting to do.<br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Now, how can we track the entry point? I mean, the first legitimate node that received these spots and forwarded to the rest of the network?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Can we add an option in the PC61 (or PC11) to "record route" the path that every spot is doing?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>I.e. every node append to the pc61 message his call and ip?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>Andrea<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>--><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 8:55</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"> </span><span>AM Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0cm;"><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">think</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">it's</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">safe</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">to</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">say</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">that</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">this</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">is</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">not</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>a software<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">glitch</span>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">it's</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">an</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">attempt</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">to</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">manipulate</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">the</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>spots<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">to</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">make</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">it</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">difficult</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">to</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">know</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">which</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">is</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">the</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>‘<span class="m2519666660447895242spelle">good</span>/real’ spot.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kin</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>En nombre de<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Danilo Brelih via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, 10 de febrero de 2025 8:47<br><b>Para:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Danilo Brelih <<a href="mailto:s50u@s50e.si" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">s50u@s50e.si</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Another flooding of forged spots</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Kin via Dxspider-support je 10.2.2025 ob 8:16 napisal:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Here you can see the patterns perfectly:</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128184^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7038.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^RTTY^S51J-2^S50CLX^95.159.226.41^H48^~</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^14250.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP UP UP!^S51J-2^F6BVP-3^95.159.41.226^H59^~</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7034.8^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^award^S51J-2^PB4PT-8^95.159.226.41^H20^~</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^28220.7^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^55^S51J-2^EA4RCH-5^95.41.159.226^H81^~</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7116.9^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP^S51J-2^CX2SA-8^95.226.159.41^H18^~</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^21447.4^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP^S51J-2^SM4ONW-7^95.159.41.226^H67^~</span><o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><p><br>The last pattern illustrates that what happens has no correlation with the usability of N1MM+ contest software.<br><br>I can confirm as the spotter below is my "client" and he was connected to my cluster all weekend long with some spots sent. I am checking my logs and what I notice is that although it has changed some connections between LOCAL ISP access via adsl/mobile but never connect outside the ORIGIN cluster of spots sent. He's SSID used was always the same for all sent spots only his IP has changed two, three times. So only the first spot is correct and all the others are the work of the dirty script of forged spots we know from previous years or a bug somewhere in one of the cluster programs on the network?<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1739128184^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7038.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^RTTY^S51J-2^S50CLX^95.159.226.41^H48^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>CU Dan<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><a href="https://s50clx.infrax.si/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">S50CLX DX Cluster</a><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br>Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk<br>https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</span></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>