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G1FEF<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On 10 Feb 2025, at 09:56, Kin via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>You can't trace the originating node without having access to all the nodes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The only thing that is really effective is for the nodes to be trustworthy, and this can only be achieved with authentication of all node members and users.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Which brings us to a v2 network that can co-exist with the current one, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Kin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=ms-outlook-mobile-signature><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Enviado desde <a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg">Outlook para Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=mail-editor-reference-message-container><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Aptos'>De:</span></strong><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:Aptos'>Enviado:</span></strong> lunes, febrero 10, 2025 9:48:59 a. m.<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:Aptos'>Para:</span></strong> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:Aptos'>CC:</span></strong> s50u@s50e.si <s50u@s50e.si>; Kin <ea3cv@cronux.net><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:Aptos'>Asunto:</span></strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] Another flooding of forged spots<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I think we all agree that these spots were deliberately forged by someone that has nothing more interesting to do.<br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Now, how can we track the entry point? I mean, the first legitimate node that received these spots and forwarded to the rest of the network?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Can we add an option in the PC61 (or PC11) to "record route" the path that every spot is doing?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I.e. every node append to the pc61 message his call and ip?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Andrea<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>--><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 8:55</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>AM Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>think</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>it's</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>safe</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>to</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>say</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>that</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>this</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>is</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>not</span> a software <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>glitch</span>, <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>it's</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>an</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>attempt</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>to</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>manipulate</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>the</span> spots <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>to</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>make</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>it</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>difficult</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>to</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>know</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>which</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>is</span> <span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>the</span> ‘<span class=m2519666660447895242spelle>good</span>/real’ spot.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kin</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>> <b>En nombre de </b>Danilo Brelih via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> lunes, 10 de febrero de 2025 8:47<br><b>Para:</b> Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>CC:</b> Danilo Brelih <<a href="mailto:s50u@s50e.si">s50u@s50e.si</a>><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Another flooding of forged spots</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kin via Dxspider-support je 10.2.2025 ob 8:16 napisal:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Here you can see the patterns perfectly:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128184^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7038.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^RTTY^S51J-2^S50CLX^95.159.226.41^H48^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^14250.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP UP UP!^S51J-2^F6BVP-3^95.159.41.226^H59^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7034.8^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^award^S51J-2^PB4PT-8^95.159.226.41^H20^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^28220.7^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^55^S51J-2^EA4RCH-5^95.41.159.226^H81^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7116.9^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP^S51J-2^CX2SA-8^95.226.159.41^H18^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128186^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^21447.4^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^UP^S51J-2^SM4ONW-7^95.159.41.226^H67^~</span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p><br>The last pattern illustrates that what happens has no correlation with the usability of N1MM+ contest software.<br><br>I can confirm as the spotter below is my "client" and he was connected to my cluster all weekend long with some spots sent. I am checking my logs and what I notice is that although it has changed some connections between LOCAL ISP access via adsl/mobile but never connect outside the ORIGIN cluster of spots sent. He's SSID used was always the same for all sent spots only his IP has changed two, three times. So only the first spot is correct and all the others are the work of the dirty script of forged spots we know from previous years or a bug somewhere in one of the cluster programs on the network?<o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1739128184^(chan) <- I VE7CC-1 PC61^7038.2^OZ6P^09-Feb-2025^1909Z^RTTY^S51J-2^S50CLX^95.159.226.41^H48^~</span><o:p></o:p></p><p>CU Dan<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br><a href="https://s50clx.infrax.si/">S50CLX DX Cluster</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br>Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk<br>https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>