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<p>Hello everyone<br>
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It is very difficult for me, and I think for many sysops, to keep
up with the number of emails with proposals, modifications,
configuration updates, opinions, different "I did...", even more
"we should do".<br>
<br>
As many of us have a life outside the cluster and we maintain it
in our free time, I suggest that Dirk and the other -very active
and of course appreciated- sysops make the decisions and then pass
on to those of us who watch from the outside what happens, a list
of "do this, this and this other thing, in this way", a kind of
instruction manual on a definitive update.<br>
<br>
If this definitive update implies changing the way of connecting
to passwords, ssh, or smoke signals, let someone say "it should be
done this way" and the one who does it is in and the one who
doesn't, is out.<br>
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At least that is my opinion, I don't know what others think about
this<br>
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<p>Rick LU9DA<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 11/2/2025 a las 21:18, HB9DHG Fulvio
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<div>That answers my question :) </div>
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<div>set/var $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable 1<br>
Ok, $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable = '1'<br>
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<div>73 de HB9DHG Fulvio</div>
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dir="auto">It simply associates the node with the user and
IP on the node where it is connected.<br>
It only serves for network management, it does not affect
the user, it is the same as when connecting to any server.<br>
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<strong>Enviado:</strong> martes, febrero 11, 2025
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<strong>Asunto:</strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting
spots... A proposal<br>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks, Kin.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">But what exactly does this
mean for me (as Sysop) and for a user?</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sorry for the dumb
question—if the command is "transparent," I’d really
like to implement it. :)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">HB9DHG Fulvio</p>
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en nombre de HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support
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<strong>Enviado:</strong> martes, febrero 11,
2025 9:32:36 p. m.<br>
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<strong>Asunto:</strong> Re: [Dxspider-support]
Trusting spots... A proposal<br>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Kin, I'm happy to
help make the network more friendly and
security-compliant.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Are you so kind as
to explain what this command does?</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><code>set/var
$DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable 1</code></p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">I'm sure I missed
this thread, my apologies.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">HB9DHG Fulvio</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sysop : HB9ON-8
Dxspider Cluster</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">A <span>great</span> idea <span>to</span>
<span>minimise</span> <span>changes</span>
in <span>the</span> <span>protocol</span>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">👏👏👏</span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">With</span></span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <span>this</span>, <span>nodes</span>
<span>that</span> <span>have</span>
<span>purposely</span> <span>deactivated</span>
PC92 <span>will</span> be <span>considered</span>
as ‘<span>suspicious</span>’, and <span>those</span>
<span>that</span> <span>have</span>
<span>not</span> <span>been</span>
<span>updated</span> <span>since</span>
<span>the</span> Pleistocene <span>will</span>
<span>cease</span> <span>to</span>
<span>exist</span>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I <span>propose</span> <span>that</span>
<span>nodes</span> <span>that</span>
<span>have</span> <span>their</span>
<span>connections</span> <span>between</span>
<span>nodes</span> <span>with</span>
<span>passwords</span> <span>should</span>
<span>also</span> be <span>considered</span>
as <span>good</span> <span>nodes</span>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If</span></span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <span>this</span> <span>is</span>
<span>included</span> <span>with</span>
<span>the</span> <span>routing</span>
table, <span>it</span> <span>would</span>
<span>give</span> more <span>reliability</span>
<span>to</span> <span>those</span>
<span>nodes</span>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">And <span>if</span> <span>it</span>
<span>also</span> <span>includes</span>
$<span><span>main</span></span><span>::</span><span>reqreg</span>
= 1 <span>with</span> $<span>main</span>::<span>passwdreq</span>
= 0, <span>those</span> <span>nodes</span>
<span>would</span> be <span>the</span>
<span>most</span> <span>secure</span>.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What</span></span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> do <span>you</span> <span>think</span>?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Kin EA3CV</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">PS</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">It</span></span><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <span>would</span> be <span>convenient</span>
<span>for</span> <span>sysops</span>
<span>to</span> <span>activate</span>:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">set/<span>var</span> $<span><span>DXProt</span></span><span>::</span>pc92c_ipaddr_enable
1</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Dxspider-support
<<a
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<b>En nombre de </b>Dirk
Koopman via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 11 de
febrero de 2025 17:53<br>
<b>Para:</b> Dxspider-Support
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<b>Asunto:</b>
[Dxspider-support] Trusting
spots... A proposal</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">A while
ago, I suggested that I might
implement the "nuclear option". Well
this is it.<br>
<br>
The "simple" answer is to compare
the incoming spot with the contents
of the routing table. <br>
<br>
If the user or the node is not in
the routing / user tables, then the
spot is *likely* fake. <br>
<br>
Now, there are a number of
circumstances where this assumption
is not true. They include:</span><span></span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">When a
node restarts, it will have an
empty routing table which will not
be fully informed for at least
three hours - by which time it
will have received PC92 C records
from all the nodes then connected.
Obviously PC92 A and records will
have been received in "real time"
for all the users that have come
and gone in the interim.
Therefore, until the enforcement
wait time expires (default three
hours), all spots will be treated
as "valid".</span><span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">It's a
spot coming from a source that
does not (reliably) send PC92
[ADC] or PC16/17 records. That
means anything behind a gateway
into the AR-Cluster network (e.g.
K1TTT). The gateway itself does
supply this information to a
directly connected node, but it
won't be passed on because of the
problems deduping PC16/17 and the
fact that they are likely to be
isolated nodes. If we don't pass
these on, then I suspect the
wailing and gnash of teeth will be
too great. </span><span></span></li>
</ul>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">So
what I propose to do is to test
every spot coming in and depending
and after three hours (configurable)
the node will grade a spot and,
depending on the value of $<a
moz-do-not-send="true">DXProt::senderverify</a>,
will do one of these things if a
spot fails the test above:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">For
users: </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If set
to 1, add a '?' to the one or more
callsign(s) e.g.:</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DX de
II9IAKE: 7113.0 IQ9AAP
15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS ARMI VESPUCCI
AWARD </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">becomes
</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DX de
II9IAKE<b><span style="color:red">?</span></b>:
7113.0 IQ9AAP<b><span
style="color:red">?</span></b>
15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS ARMI
VESPUCCI AWARD </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">It may
be adequate to just add it to the
spotter call... </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If it
is set to 2 then users won't see it
at all.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">For
nodes:</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If set
to 1, pass it onward to other nodes.
If set to 2 and it's a PC61 then
dump it. If set to 3 then just dump
it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Confession
time: This variable already exists.
You can set it to 1 (warning) or 2
(dump). But to see the sort of
effect it can have, just do a
"set/debug suspicious" and start a
"watchdbg suspicious" in another
window. You can unset/debug it and
normal service will be resumed. This
version does not affect what users
see if set to 1.</span><span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">73
Dirk G1TLH</span></p>
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