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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">At
0 and <span class="SpellE">with</span> <span
class="SpellE">node</span> < 3h, <span class="SpellE">you</span>
<span class="SpellE">see</span> DUMPED traces and no spot in
<span class="SpellE">console</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">1739294226^(<span
class="SpellE">suspicious</span>) PCPROT: <span
class="SpellE">Bad</span> Spot IU1RVT <span
class="SpellE">on</span> 7093.0 <span class="SpellE">by</span>
IZ8<span class="GramE">STJ(</span>79.51.37.108)@EA4RCH-5 <span
class="SpellE">User</span> IZ8STJ <span class="SpellE">not</span>
<span class="SpellE">on</span> <span class="SpellE">node</span>
EA4RCH-5, DUMPED<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="SpellE">is</span> <span class="SpellE">the</span>
<span class="SpellE">same</span> <span class="SpellE">behaviour</span>
as <span class="SpellE">if</span> I set <span
class="SpellE">senderverify</span> = 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Not the same:<br>
<br>
<font face="monospace">1739294226^(<span class="SpellE">suspicious</span>)
PCPROT: <span class="SpellE">Bad</span> Spot IU1RVT <span
class="SpellE">on</span> 7093.0 <span class="SpellE">by</span>
IZ8<span class="GramE">STJ(</span>79.51.37.108)@EA4RCH-5 <span
class="SpellE">User</span> IZ8STJ <span class="SpellE">not</span>
<span class="SpellE">on</span> <span class="SpellE">node</span>
EA4RCH-5<br>
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I.e not dumped. I have moved the test so that you only get one
message (and not 15 of them like on version 564)<br>
<br>
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<span class="SpellE">on</span> <span class="SpellE">build</span>
564<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">De:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">
Dxspider-support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk"><dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk></a> <b>En
nombre de </b>Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 11 de febrero de 2025 17:53<br>
<b>Para:</b> Dxspider-Support
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org"><dxspider-support@dxcluster.org></a><br>
<b>CC:</b> Dirk Koopman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk"><djk@tobit.co.uk></a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A
proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">A
while ago, I suggested that I might implement the "nuclear
option". Well this is it.<br>
<br>
The "simple" answer is to compare the incoming spot with the
contents of the routing table. <br>
<br>
If the user or the node is not in the routing / user tables,
then the spot is *likely* fake. <br>
<br>
Now, there are a number of circumstances where this
assumption is not true. They include:</span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">When
a node restarts, it will have an empty routing table which
will not be fully informed for at least three hours - by
which time it will have received PC92 C records from all
the nodes then connected. Obviously PC92 A and records
will have been received in "real time" for all the users
that have come and gone in the interim. Therefore, until
the enforcement wait time expires (default three hours),
all spots will be treated as "valid".</span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">It's
a spot coming from a source that does not (reliably) send
PC92 [ADC] or PC16/17 records. That means anything behind
a gateway into the AR-Cluster network (e.g. K1TTT). The
gateway itself does supply this information to a directly
connected node, but it won't be passed on because of the
problems deduping PC16/17 and the fact that they are
likely to be isolated nodes. If we don't pass these on,
then I suspect the wailing and gnash of teeth will be too
great. </span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">So what I propose to do is to
test every spot coming in and depending and after three
hours (configurable) the node will grade a spot and,
depending on the value of $<a href="DXProt::senderverify"
moz-do-not-send="true">DXProt::senderverify</a>, will do
one of these things if a spot fails the test above:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">For users: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If set to 1, add a '?' to the
one or more callsign(s) e.g.:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DX
de II9IAKE: 7113.0 IQ9AAP 15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS
ARMI VESPUCCI AWARD </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">becomes </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DX
de II9IAKE<b><span style="color:red">?</span></b>:
7113.0 IQ9AAP<b><span style="color:red">?</span></b>
15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS ARMI VESPUCCI AWARD </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">It may be adequate to just add
it to the spotter call... </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If it is set to 2 then users
won't see it at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">For nodes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If set to 1, pass it onward to
other nodes. If set to 2 and it's a PC61 then dump it. If
set to 3 then just dump it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Confession
time: This variable already exists. You can set it to 1
(warning) or 2 (dump). But to see the sort of effect it can
have, just do a "set/debug suspicious" and start a
"watchdbg suspicious" in another window. You can
unset/debug it and normal service will be resumed. This
version does not affect what users see if set to 1.</span><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">73 Dirk G1TLH</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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