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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Many thanks for the information .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The explanations you have given below are just what is needed for all of the new commands that are being talked about along with a default setting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I appreciate that it take time for the documentation to catch up with the software updates. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Many thanks for restoring the Wiki which is most helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>73 Keith GU6EFB <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lists via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 February 2025 10:19<br><b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> Lists <lists@g1fef.co.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Keith,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The restored Wiki is being updated and will, going forwards, be the main repository for information on DXSpider.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To answer your specific questions:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Set/var $main::regreg = 1</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This setting means that all users connecting to your node must be registered before they can send spots. If an unregistered user connects they can still receive spots but will be unable to send any.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Setting it to 0 (instead of 1) would allow anyone to connect and send spots (!! NOT RECOMMENDED !!)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Set/var $main::passwdreq = 0</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This setting means that registered users do not have to set a password in order to login to your node (they can still do so if they wish, but it is not enforced).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Setting this to 1 (instead of 0) would require all users to have a password set (not recommended).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you have any other specific questions feel free to ask.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chris - G1FEF<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 12 Feb 2025, at 09:23, Keith via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Whilst I appreciate all of the hard work by those involved with the cluster software it is difficult to keep up-to-date with all that is going on.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Relevant information seems to be located in different places.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Kins Github the now restored DXspider Wiki and Dxspider pages on the web Is their one place where all this information is contained?</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Also what do all these new options mean its fine to say for example? <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Set/var $main::regreg = 1</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Set/var $main::passwdreq = 0</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>For the less educated IE me what does this all mean? I keep seeing mention of various commands and options / switches but with no definition of what it will do if set.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am no Linux expert so it fine to say read a document but if it does not explain what effect the options will have its of little value.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>73 Keith GU6EFB</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor;border-image: none'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Kin via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>12 February 2025 08:48<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:elu9da@gmail.com">elu9da@gmail.com</a>; 'The DXSpider Support list' <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Kin <<a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net">ea3cv@cronux.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hola Rick,</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>* To configure the partners, I advise you to read this document:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="https://github.com/EA3CV/dxspider_info/blob/main/Docs/HOW_TO_SET_UP_A_PARTNER_NODE_IN_DXSPIDER.pdf"><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>https://github.com/EA3CV/dxspider_info/blob/main/Docs/HOW_TO_SET_UP_A_PARTNER_NODE_IN_DXSPIDER.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>* To update your DXSpider, in addition to the standard procedure, you can use this utility:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="https://github.com/EA3CV/dxspider_update"><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>https://github.com/EA3CV/dxspider_update</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kin EA3CV</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor;border-image: none'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dxspider-support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>En nombre de<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Ricardo Suarez via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>martes, 11 de febrero de 2025 23:51<br><b>Para:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br><b>CC:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Ricardo Suarez <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:elu9da@gmail.com"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>elu9da@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span lang=ES>Hello everyone<br><br>It is very difficult for me, and I think for many sysops, to keep up with the number of emails with proposals, modifications, configuration updates, opinions, different "I did...", even more "we should do".<br><br>As many of us have a life outside the cluster and we maintain it in our free time, I suggest that Dirk and the other -very active and of course appreciated- sysops make the decisions and then pass on to those of us who watch from the outside what happens, a list of "do this, this and this other thing, in this way", a kind of instruction manual on a definitive update.<br><br>If this definitive update implies changing the way of connecting to passwords, ssh, or smoke signals, let someone say "it should be done this way" and the one who does it is in and the one who doesn't, is out.<br><br>At least that is my opinion, I don't know what others think about this</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>Rick LU9DA</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>El 11/2/2025 a las 21:18, HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support escribió:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Perfect,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>That answers my question :) </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>set/var $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable 1<br>Ok, $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable = '1'</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>73 de HB9DHG Fulvio</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 10:08</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>PM <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>ea3cv@cronux.net</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204);border-image: none'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>It simply associates the node with the user and IP on the node where it is connected.<br>It only serves for network management, it does not affect the user, it is the same as when connecting to any server.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Kin</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Enviado desde<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>Outlook para Android</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133divRplyFwdMsg"><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>De:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>HB9DHG Fulvio <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:hb9dhg@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>hb9dhg@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Enviado:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>martes, febrero 11, 2025 9:42:55 p. m.<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Para:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>ea3cv@cronux.net</span></a></span><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>ea3cv@cronux.net</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>CC:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>The DXSpider Support list <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Asunto:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p><span lang=ES>Thanks, Kin.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>But what exactly does this mean for me (as Sysop) and for a user?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>Sorry for the dumb question—if the command is "transparent," I’d really like to implement it. :)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>HB9DHG Fulvio</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 9:36</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>PM <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:ea3cv@cronux.net" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>ea3cv@cronux.net</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204);border-image: none'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Fulvio,</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Send PC92C with IP address.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Kin</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133m_-3097472415547727020ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Enviado desde<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>Outlook para Android</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133m_-3097472415547727020mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="m_-6552301906445972133m_-3097472415547727020divRplyFwdMsg"><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>De:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Dxspider-support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>> en nombre de HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Enviado:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>martes, febrero 11, 2025 9:32:36 p. m.<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Para:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>The DXSpider Support list <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>CC:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>HB9DHG Fulvio <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:hb9dhg@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;color:purple'>hb9dhg@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Asunto:</span></strong><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p><span lang=ES>Kin, I'm happy to help make the network more friendly and security-compliant.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>Are you so kind as to explain what this command does?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><code><span lang=ES style='font-size:10.0pt'>set/var $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable 1</span></code><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>I'm sure I missed this thread, my apologies.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>HB9DHG Fulvio</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES>Sysop : HB9ON-8 Dxspider Cluster</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 8:48</span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>PM Kin via Dxspider-support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204);border-image: none'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A great idea to minimise changes in the protocol<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>👏👏👏</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>With this, nodes that have purposely deactivated PC92 will be considered as ‘suspicious’, and those that have not been updated since the Pleistocene will cease to exist.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I propose that nodes that have their connections between nodes with passwords should also be considered as good nodes.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>If this is included with the routing table, it would give more reliability to those nodes.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>And if it also includes $main::reqreg = 1 with $main::passwdreq = 0, those nodes would be the most secure.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>What do you think?</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kin EA3CV</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>PS</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It would be convenient for sysops to activate:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>set/var $DXProt::pc92c_ipaddr_enable 1</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-image: none;border-color:currentcolor'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>De:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dxspider-support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>En nombre de<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>martes, 11 de febrero de 2025 17:53<br><b>Para:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Dxspider-Support <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>CC:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Dirk Koopman <</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:purple'>djk@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>><br><b>Asunto:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[Dxspider-support] Trusting spots... A proposal</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>A while ago, I suggested that I might implement the "nuclear option". Well this is it.<br><br>The "simple" answer is to compare the incoming spot with the contents of the routing table.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br>If the user or the node is not in the routing / user tables, then the spot is *likely* fake.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br>Now, there are a number of circumstances where this assumption is not true. They include:</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><ul style='margin-top:0cm' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>When a node restarts, it will have an empty routing table which will not be fully informed for at least three hours - by which time it will have received PC92 C records from all the nodes then connected. Obviously PC92 A and records will have been received in "real time" for all the users that have come and gone in the interim. Therefore, until the enforcement wait time expires (default three hours), all spots will be treated as "valid".</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>It's a spot coming from a source that does not (reliably) send PC92 [ADC] or PC16/17 records. That means anything behind a gateway into the AR-Cluster network (e.g. K1TTT). The gateway itself does supply this information to a directly connected node, but it won't be passed on because of the problems deduping PC16/17 and the fact that they are likely to be isolated nodes. If we don't pass these on, then I suspect the wailing and gnash of teeth will be too great.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>So what I propose to do is to test every spot coming in and depending and after three hours (configurable) the node will grade a spot and, depending on the value of $DXProt::senderverify, will do one of these things if a spot fails the test above:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>For users: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>If set to 1, add a '?' to the one or more callsign(s) e.g.:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>DX de II9IAKE: 7113.0 IQ9AAP 15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS ARMI VESPUCCI AWARD<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>becomes<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>DX de II9IAKE<b><span style='color:red'>?</span></b>: 7113.0 IQ9AAP<b><span style='color:red'>?</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span> 15.55 IQ\'S DISTRICTS ARMI VESPUCCI AWARD<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>It may be adequate to just add it to the spotter call...<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>If it is set to 2 then users won't see it at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>For nodes:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>If set to 1, pass it onward to other nodes. If set to 2 and it's a PC61 then dump it. If set to 3 then just dump it.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>Confession time: This variable already exists. You can set it to 1 (warning) or 2 (dump). But to see the sort of effect it can have, just do a "set/debug suspicious" and start a "watchdbg suspicious" in another window. You can unset/debug it and normal service will be resumed. This version does not affect what users see if set to 1.</span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span lang=ES style='font-size:13.5pt'>73 Dirk G1TLH</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a></span><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" target="_blank"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=ES style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><br><br><br></span><span style='font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><pre><span lang=ES>_______________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span lang=ES>Dxspider-support mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support"><span lang=ES style='color:purple'>https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</span></a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>