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The <span class=SpellE>problem</span> <span class=SpellE>is</span> <span class=SpellE>with</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>rest</span> <span class=SpellE>of</span> <span class=SpellE>the</span> <span class=SpellE>genuinely</span> <span class=SpellE>bad</span> <span class=SpellE>ones</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Kin EA3CV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>De:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>En nombre de </b>Kelly Leavitt via Dxspider-support<br><b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 12 de febrero de 2025 19:54<br><b>Para:</b> Christopher Schlegel <sutehk.cs@gmail.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>CC:</b> Kelly Leavitt <kelly@catcorner.org>; HB9DHG Fulvio <hb9dhg@gmail.com><br><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Fulvio,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> Sorry for the curtness of my message. My brain operates in a very casual manner. I look to email as an extension of a conversation and can sometimes seem off-putting. Of course, I seem that way in normal conversation sometimes too.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> My question was exactly what Chris described. What do the originators of the bad spots hope to gain? Why flood our very useful network with junk spots? Or, as I stated, am I misunderstanding the source of these?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>If, as Dirk and Kin describe, 60% of our traffic is junk spots, then we all need to figure out what to do and how to stop the flow. As it is, my node is configured so that only registered users can post spots and registered users require a password (at least I think it is, I'm going to verify this again later today).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> I appreciate all of the work done by the creators of the dx spider project and will implement any changes they suggest (as long as I can follow them) to stop the flood.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Very best to all and 73 de Kelly<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>KE2L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> on behalf of HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:16 PM<br><b>To:</b> Christopher Schlegel <sutehk.cs@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> HB9DHG Fulvio <hb9dhg@gmail.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Thanks, Chris.</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br><span style='color:black'>If you're correct, I’m surely wrong, and you can blame me! :) </span><br><span style='color:black'>But in any case, I didn’t see any signature or any sign that made it look like a proactive email.</span><br><span style='color:black'>On the other hand, your reply was kind, and I do appreciate it.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>With respect, HB9DHG Fulvio<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:12</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>PM Christopher Schlegel <<a href="mailto:sutehk.cs@gmail.com">sutehk.cs@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p>Fulvio,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I think you misunderstood Kelly's message. He was stating his comments against the providers (people creating the bad spots/abusing the network) and their possible intention of discrediting the cluster sysops, in light of the recent events with WWA and others.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just my take...<o:p></o:p></p><p>73,<o:p></o:p></p><p>Chris, WI3W<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 13:05 HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p><span style='color:black'>Kelly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>First of all, let me thank you for this email, not necessarily for its content, which I find somewhat disrespectful (there’s no greeting, no sign-off, and no courtesy), but because it gives me the opportunity to respond (and we are free to do so) to your statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>First of all, this is a group of Sysops (or even free interested guys) who are simply trying to improve the network, investing their resources and time to provide a reliable tool, just like the cluster is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Courtesy would have been simply asking why these "bad spots" are occurring in a polite and respectful manner. I do agree with you, "I'm misunderstanding what is going on." Yes, because here we are just analyzing the logs, which are "transparent" to the Sysops, and I’m happy that they are transparent to all those subscribed to this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Please feel free not to respond if you prefer. I am, like many others, using software that has given me great satisfaction, as the Linux version has even helped me grow professionally.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>I don’t think we are "attempting to discredit the service." We are simply working actively to make the network more transparent. If there are doubts or questions, maybe they should be asked in a polite and respectful manner, for the sake of all parties involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Sorry for the outburst, but I feel better now and I hope you can calmly raise any questions in a more serene way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>HB9DHG Fulvio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Sysop HB9ON-8 Cluster<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 6:43</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> </span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>PM Kelly Leavitt via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>What is the end game of the providers of all of the 'bad spots'?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>An attempt at discrediting the service.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>I will NEVER understand behavior like this, or am I misunderstanding what is going on.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id="x_m_1524494407189643413m_-7656317902020642958m_5266501320852078452divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk</a>> on behalf of Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Dxspider-Support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@dxcluster.org">dxspider-support@dxcluster.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Dirk Koopman <<a href="mailto:djk@tobit.co.uk">djk@tobit.co.uk</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>The results are in:<br><br>After setting </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>$DXProt::senderverify </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>to 1 or 2 (hint: I have set mine to 2)<br><br>And running the following two commands:<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> grepdbg '\s+<-\s+I\s+GB7DJK\s+PC61' | wc -l</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br><br>and<br> </span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> <br> grepdbg 'bad spot ' | wc -l<br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>and noting the numbers on a piece of paper with the first command being 'A' and the second 'B' and then doing this simple calculation:<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> B * 100 / A<br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br>The result I got for a morning's traffic (the natural result of a grepdbg on today's log with sendverify set) is:<br><br> 60.22 (%)<br><br>Or to put it another way, most of the traffic sent today is very likely fake.<br><br>Houston, we have a problem...<br><br>73 Dirk G1TLH<br><br>PS If you have had senderverify set > 0 for all of today, you can repeat the example above by changing 'GB7DJK' to a similar node feeding yours from which you are likely to get all/most of your spots.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a 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