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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">Rudy, </span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">During the January Hamaward event, I had many users complaining to me that their feed was being filled with spots for the stations, sometimes we were seeing multiple spots for the same station sent at the same second from dozens of different people.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">What makes a spot legitimate is that it has been entered by a real person. Not generated automatically and pushed onto the network by a callsign that doesn’t exist via a node which that non existent person doesn’t have access to.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">I don’t know the percentage.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">It’s been explained many, many times what a fraudulent spot is. One that’s submitted by a fake callsign, using a fake IP address and pushed into the system, faking the node that the non existent user was logged on to. I’m surprised I have to explain this to you, you’ve been reading this list for long enough to know this.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">Two of the ‘alleged’ bad guys have posted to this list already, unable to explain themselves and ignoring any questions that were asked of them.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">I’d tried to find out who was behind HamAward and found this comment from one of them particularly amusing: "</span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">We are unable to understand the reasons for this ban, especially since we never received any prior communication, neither directed to IU1NSA nor to HamAward. From the emails you exchanged, it is evident that some of you visited our website: I therefore wonder why none of our contacts, clearly visible on every page, were used to reach out to us and clarify any doubts. This total lack of communication has left us puzzled and concerned, considering the impact such decisions can have on the activities of thousands of operators."</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">I’d spent quite a lot of time looking around the HamAward site and what he states above is a complete lie. Not only are their contact details not clearly visible on every page (as stated), there are no contact details to be found on any of their pages or any of their sites. There’s no mention of who runs the scheme, no mention of how to contact them and even the two names we finally have, one didn’t give their callsign when asked and the other doesn’t have an email address visible on qrz.com.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">It’s even more galling when he says: "We believe that banning nodes without first attempting to contact us for clarification is inconsistent with the Ham spirit, especially when all the necessary means to do so were readily available."</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">I refer you to these posts/threads:</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">This one was answered by some of us.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><a style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px" href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/pipermail/dxspider-support/2025-January/019579.html" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/pipermail/dxspider-support/2025-January/019579.html</a><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">And then we received this one a few days later after which the original post was made, replied to and then he replied again. We’ve heard nothing since.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><a style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px" href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/pipermail/dxspider-support/2025-February/019700.html" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/pipermail/dxspider-support/2025-February/019700.html</a><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: medium">Please don’t assume we’re making accusations based entirely on logs, there’s a lot more to it than that.</span><span style="font-size: medium"><br /></span><span style="font-size: medium"><br /></span><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size: 16px">73 Keith.</span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span><span style="font-size: 16px"><br /></span></div>
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<div name="messageReplySection">On 27 Feb 2025 at 12:15 +0000, Rudy Bakalov via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:<br />
<blockquote type="cite" style="border-left-color: grey; border-left-width: thin; border-left-style: solid; margin: 5px 5px;padding-left: 10px;">These are really big words that need support rather than speculations and emotions.<br />
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Who outside of this reflector is complaining? What is their pain point?<br />
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What makes a spot legitimate beyond the obvious call and frequency accuracy? Does the world share and understand your definition of? Or you assume they do?<br />
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Flooded? What percentage of overall traffic are the alleged fraudulent spots?<br />
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Fraudulent? What makes these spots fraudulent beyond not meeting your expectations for their origin? Who’s been defrauded?<br />
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A lot of accusations solely based on logs, no interactions with end users or the alleged bad guys.<br />
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Rudy N2WQ<br />
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Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.<br />
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<blockquote type="cite">On Feb 27, 2025, at 6:49 AM, Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:<br />
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We all want the same thing, we want to give our users good, reliable, trusted spots, they want to provide spots for their users. Let’s get it sorted so they can do it legitimately without flooding the network with fraudulently injected spots.<br />
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73 Keith G6NHU<br /></blockquote>
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