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<font face="Arial">Hi David<br>
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I use Logger32 as my logger program.<br>
I can see in the Telnetwindow when I log in to my cluster with a
call that has never logged in before this message is visible:<br>
_________________________________________________________________<br>
#################################################################<br>
You are not registered to this cluster<br>
Please register first and use a pssword to login.<br>
You can apply for a password by contacting sysop at pa4jj.nl<br>
IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO REGISTER YOU STILL CAN USE THE CLUSTER<br>
BUT YOU CANNOT SEND SPOTS.<br>
################################################################<br>
________________________________________________________________<br>
<br>
73<br>
Jan PA4JJ<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 6-3-2025 om 18:59 schreef David
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<div dir="ltr">1. I am a heavy user of the cluster.
<div>2. In 50 years, I have never posted a spot.</div>
<div>3. With my current logging software, I never see the telnet
interface. I have a table with name, IP, Port, user name, and
password. Everything is pre-filled in except for password. I
don't even know where they get the list of nodes. I *can*
change the table if needed.</div>
<div>4. For those of you that wonder why you lose half your
people when you implement passwords, it's obvious to us that
actually *use* the packet cluster software rather than sit in
front of it managing it from the command line. WE DON'T EVEN
KNOW YOU HAVE ADDED A MANDATORY PASSWORD! We just know that <u>your
node is no longer working</u> so we just click on the next
node down in the table. I'll bet a lot of OMs wouldn't even
know *how* to get on a telnet terminal and add a password
anymore. From my experience as a club president, they can
barely run the software as it is. Our most asked for monthly
club topics now are how to use different software packages.
Our most asked technical questions are no longer how to build
an antenna, etc, they are "How do you do X in Y software?" It
actually feels more like I'm running a computer club than a
ham radio club!<br>
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<div>I believe that if you really want to implement mandatory
passwords, you are going to have to <u>work with the logging
program authors to make it much easier for the users</u>.
For example, in my software if I just add a password in the
table, it won't connect. I'm guessing that the software is
assuming that somehow I have already established a password
with the node.</div>
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<div>Remember, the average age of our users is getting older and
older and they are having trouble coping with new technology.
I have people in my club that buy new radios and then sell
them because they are "too complicated" and they can't run
them. You would be amazed how many people use SignaLinks with
IC-7300s because they don't know or can't figure out how to
use the built-in soundcard interface in the IC-7300! When I go
over to their house and remove the SignaLink from their setup
they argue with me that they need it to run FT8. When I run
FT8 without it, they are amazed and wonder why it wasn't made
more obvious in the software how to interface without a
SignaLInk so they wouldn't buy something they didn't need.</div>
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<div><u>If you want mandatory passwords, then look at it from
the end user's perspective - not from you own bias of
command lines and telnet windows - and make it much easier
to implement from the end user's perspective which means you
are going to have to get the software authors onboard.</u></div>
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<div>This is from the documentation of the DXLabs software
(DXKeeper specifically) - which from various tables like eQSL
is one of the most used softwares. "If you'd like to monitor
spots from the N6WS, EI7MRE, K1RFI, and JH1RFM DXClusters,
enable them and repeat the above steps. Like DX Spots, none of
these DXClusters require a password, so you can leave their
Password textboxes blank; <u>specifying a password when none
is required may cause the login to fail</u>."</div>
<div><br>
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<div>-David, N9KT</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 6, 2025 at 7:34 AM
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<p>Hello OM Rick,</p>
<p>Yes, this is exactly our concern now. Even during
contests or other on-the-air programs, we often see that
some people are unaware of the rules and regulations. A
registration helps ensure that users understand the
requirements, but as you've noticed, it can also lead to
a drop in participation when enforcement is tightened.</p>
<p>Perhaps we need to conduct a mass campaign to educate
users on why registration is necessary and how it
benefits the community. Clear communication and outreach
could help more people comply while keeping engagement
strong.</p>
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8:18 PM Ricardo Suarez via Dxspider-support <<a
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<p>Hello all.</p>
<p>From more than one year, I have the motd saying some
like "you need to send message to lu9da for
registration, or you can`t send spots"</p>
<p>A couple of days ago, I set registration on AND I
LOST HALF OF USERS IN QUESTION OF HOURS!</p>
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<p>Rick LU9DA<span style="white-space:pre-wrap">
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my dxspider clusters running on a raspberry pi:
pa4jj-2 77.174.195.163 port 7300
pa4jj-3 77.174.195.163 port 7388</pre>
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