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Hi Tobias,</div>
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Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand the concerns of some web cluster operators regarding the impact of $DXProt::sendverify = 2, though my experience has been quite different.</div>
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I recently launched my own web cluster, DX Data (https://dxdata.io), and while I recognize the challenges you’ve outlined, not all web clusters appear to be affected in the same way. My web cluster continues to function as expected, and spots from my users
are still being picked up by DXSpider, CC Cluster, and most web clusters, including yours. I’d be happy to compare notes at some point to better understand why some web clusters are experiencing issues while others, like mine, remain unaffected.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 6, 2025 7:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tobias Wellnitz <tobias.wellnitz@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Dxspider-support] You are killing all Webclusters!</span>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Hi all,</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">my apologies for the slightly provocative email subject, but in the name of all Web Cluster operators I would like to express our strong concerns and disagreement about the recently rolled out "source" verification of DX Spots!
This setting does more harm than good. Literally all spots submitted through web clusters are been dropped since the roleout of $DXProt::sendverify = 2.</div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">Why? Because web clusters manage their users and their accounts in the web stack and not in dxspider. </div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Just to give you an idea about the magnitude: Only my web cluster (<a href="http://dxheat.com" id="OWA42047361-eaf2-f35d-09be-02f6b19a6b03" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">dxheat.com</a>) has >30.000 registered users
and has at any time 800 - 1500 connected users. I know that Dxfun and Dxwatch are serving even larger user bases!</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Look at Andrea's table of dropped spots within a day:</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr; font-family: monospace;">+-------+----------+<br>
| SPOTS | NODE |<br>
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| 502 | EA4RCH-5 |<br>
| 411 | VE7CC-1 |<br>
| 273 | DH1TW-2 |<br>
| 208 | AE5E |<br>
| 138 | PY1NB-4 |<br>
| 104 | EA6VQ-2 |<br>
| 103 | DO5SSB-2 |</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Here is the mapping:</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">EA4RCH-5 -> <a href="http://dxfun.com" id="OWA1124a304-b88e-3251-6200-a47c2322ed30" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
dxfun.com</a></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">DH1TW-2 -> <a href="http://dxheat.com" id="OWAa60df4a0-808a-0709-f20a-353ca6efe0ec" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
dxheat.com</a></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">PY1NB-4 -> <a href="http://dxwatch.com" id="OWAee4f13d4-db6b-ac14-89e1-5d4bd893343f" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
dxwatch.com</a></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">EA6VQ-2 -> <a href="http://dxmaps.com" id="OWA7b2ddd9d-bea2-81e2-9cc1-fcf845c8b075" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
dxmaps.com</a></div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">DO5SSB-2 -> <a href="http://qrzcq.com/dxtron" id="OWAc5144fff-3a8b-3dc3-8b3d-b92565417752" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
qrzcq.com/dxtron</a></div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">As you can imagine, we have put a lot of effort into building and operating these web clusters. The total number of affected users, which participate in the dx cluster network through our web services is larger than the overall
users connected via telnet!</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">We therefore kindly ask you to reconsider and undo the recent changes! </div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Let jointly keep on discussing other possibilities on how to further harden together our DX Cluster network!</div>
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<div style="direction: ltr;">Thanks & 73,</div>
<div style="direction: ltr;">Tobias, DH1TW</div>
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