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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">350 bytes per hop per message, not 350 bytes per message. It's give or take another 25 MB for 80,000 messages.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">If H is not what PC61 says it is, what is it? If it is decremented, what is the starting value to get to 98? And what is the purpose of H if unreliable, why send it at all?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Rudy N2WQ</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 at 01:34:47 PM EDT, Kin <ea3cv@cronux.net> wrote:
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<div><div id="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488"><div><div class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488WordSection1"><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Average</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> spot <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">value</span> (60/130) 95 bytes. <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">But</span> I <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">will</span> use <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">the</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">worst</span> case, 150 bytes.</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Received</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">frame</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">size</span>:</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">14(Ethernet <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488GramE">header</span></span><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488GramE">)+</span>20(IP <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">header</span>)+20(TCP <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">header</span>)+150(<span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">Payload</span>)+4(CRC) = 208 bytes.</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">80000 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/min. <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">approx</span>. 1334 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/s</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">1334 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/s * 208 bytes * 8 bits = 2219776 bytes/s</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Necessary</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> line <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">speed</span> = 2.22 Mbps</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">With</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">the</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">assumed</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">increase</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">of</span> 350 bytes per <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">message</span>:</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">14(Ethernet <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488GramE">header</span></span><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488GramE">)+</span>20(IP <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">header</span>)+20(TCP <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">header</span>)+500(<span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">Payload</span>)+4(CRC) = 558 bytes.</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">80000 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/min <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">approx</span>. 1334 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/s</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">1334 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">messages</span>/s * 558 bytes * 8 bits = 5954976 bytes/s</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Necessary</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> line <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">speed</span> = 5.96 Mbps</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">But</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">if</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">instead</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">of</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">having</span> 35 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">neighbouring</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">nodes</span>, <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">we</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">had</span> 10:</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">(5954976 bytes/s * 10) / <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488GramE">35 <span> </span>=</span> 1.70 Mbps <span> </span></span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Conclusion</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">, <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">pecata</span> minuta <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">for</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">the</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">connection</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">to</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">the</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">provider</span> and a <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">waste</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">of</span> CPU/<span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">Memory</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">with</span> so <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">many</span> links.</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Ah, <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">we</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">take</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">the</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">value</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">of</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">about</span> 5 <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">hops</span> as <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">valid</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">when</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">we</span> are <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">interested</span>, <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">now</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">we</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">should</span> <span class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488SpellE">not</span> use 50.</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Kin EA3CV</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">PS</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">20 CCC + 15 DXS</span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;"><div id="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488yqtfd97079" class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488yqt7820254674"><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;"> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>En nombre de </b>Rudy Bakalov via Dxspider-support<br clear="none"><b>Enviado el:</b> miércoles, 12 de marzo de 2025 16:57<br clear="none"><b>Para:</b> iz2lsc.andrea@gmail.com; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@dxcluster.org><br clear="none"><b>CC:</b> Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com><br clear="none"><b>Asunto:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Forgeries</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488yqtfd99681" class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488yqt7820254674"><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span><span>Let’s think this thru:</span></p><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>1/Logs show spots with H as high as 98! Recording the node of each hop will increase PC61 payload on average 6 characters per hop. Let’s say average H is 50, that would be 300 characters plus the delimiters or about 350 characters.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>2/My cluster received over 80K spots per minute. Imagine the traffic created by 80K messages with additional 350 characters per PC61 message.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Can you describe the full algorithm you are proposing? How are you going to use the additional data to make a decision to accept or drop a spot?</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>When comparing PC61 to BGP remember that BGP is designed to support two-way data flows. PC61 is strictly one-way and doesn’t need routing overhead.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Rudy N2WQ</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></span></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>On Mar 12, 2025, at 11:19</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><span>AM, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk> wrote:</span></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span><span></span></p><div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Mike, this is why I'm saying that we need to record the whole path, not only the last hop.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Every node has to append it's ID.</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>Andrea</span></p></div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>--></span></p></div></div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p></div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><div><div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:05</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span><span>PM Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm;"><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>The current release does tag spots from the incoming node partner with a <br clear="none">"via" tag. You would need to analyze all the logs in between, using the <br clear="none">"via" tag to trace it back to the source.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 3/12/2025 8:06 AM, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support wrote:<br clear="none">> We are all senior developer with AI!<br clear="none">> At least you agreed that what you proposed for partner identity is not a <br clear="none">> solution against the flooding.<br clear="none">> Perhaps do you also agree about the need to record the spot path?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> 73<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Andrea<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">73 de Mike, W1NR<br clear="none"><br clear="none">THAT was the equation. EXISTENCE!... SURVIVAL... must cancel out... <br clear="none">programming!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- Ruk -<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Dxspider-support mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a></span></p></blockquote></div><p class="ydpb0bfdd7yiv1464727488MsoNormal"><span>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Dxspider-support mailing list<br clear="none">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk<br clear="none">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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