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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Hi Chris,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Unfortunately I don't have the logs, only the high watermark value in the dashboard. I have disabled logging in Winsock as bad spots were never an issue for me (I think the bad guys know that CC Cluster does rate limiting).</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><img title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" src="cid:f73dd74c-990c-0c3f-3212-c7590885f3fc@yahoo.com" class="yahoo-inline-image" draggable="false" style="max-width: 800px;" data-id="<f73dd74c-990c-0c3f-3212-c7590885f3fc@yahoo.com>"><br>The picture shows that I rate limit<b><u> non-RBN</u></b> spots as follows: 1/overall number of spots to 500 per minute, 2/spots per each DX to 25, and 3/spots per spotter to 10 per minute. These numbers assume a busy contest weekend.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>I also started paying attention to the number of spots that are older than 5 minutes:<br><br><img title="Inline image" alt="Inline image" src="cid:a67e6c78-328a-0ca7-52f3-d4384f025b50@yahoo.com" class="yahoo-inline-image" draggable="false" style="max-width: 800px;" data-id="<a67e6c78-328a-0ca7-52f3-d4384f025b50@yahoo.com>"><br><span></span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>During ARRL SSB that number exceeded 500,000 and of course they were all dropped.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><span>Perhaps we could partner in another area- help me finish the code I shared. It is a cluster for clusters, a switchboard of sorts, that rate limits spots for all connected clusters. As I mentioned before I am not a developer; my developer experience is dated and based on ADA, C, and Pascal, no Perl. Specifically, I can appreciate help fully deconstructing the partner handshake and enabling clusters to connect to the switchboard cluster.</span></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Rudy N2WQ</div><div><br></div>
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2025 at 12:50:42 PM EDT, Christopher Schlegel <sutehk.cs@gmail.com> wrote:
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<p dir="ltr">Would you be willing to share the debug log of that event (80,000 sp/min), if you still have it? I wouldn't mind trying to see if there is any info to pull out.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Chris, WI3W</p></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_quote ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_quote_container"><div id="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049yqtfd36336" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049yqt7135245773"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025, 11:57 Rudy Bakalov via Dxspider-support <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_quote"><div><div dir="ltr">Let’s think this thru:<div><br clear="none"></div><div>1/Logs show spots with H as high as 98! Recording the node of each hop will increase PC61 payload on average 6 characters per hop. Let’s say average H is 50, that would be 300 characters plus the delimiters or about 350 characters.</div><div>2/My cluster received over 80K spots per minute. Imagine the traffic created by 80K messages with additional 350 characters per PC61 message.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Can you describe the full algorithm you are proposing? How are you going to use the additional data to make a decision to accept or drop a spot?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>When comparing PC61 to BGP remember that BGP is designed to support two-way data flows. PC61 is strictly one-way and doesn’t need routing overhead.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Rudy N2WQ</div><div><br clear="none" id="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049m_-2710512564127886321lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div><span>Sent using a tiny keyboard. Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate autocorrect.</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 12, 2025, at 11:19 AM, IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Mike, this is why I'm saying that we need to record the whole path, not only the last hop.</div><div>Every node has to append it's ID.</div><div>Andrea</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_signature">--></div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 2:05 PM Mike McCarthy, W1NR via Dxspider-support <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;" class="ydpdd39c011yiv4454016049gmail_quote">The current release does tag spots from the incoming node partner with a <br clear="none">
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> Perhaps do you also agree about the need to record the spot path?<br clear="none">
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