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I want to give my users the choice what they see and not dictate to them.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>With one caveat - Node advertising spam announcements which I filter out by having this line in my startup file. If I could stop forwarding these on, I’d happily do so.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>rej/ann node_default input info telnet,cluster,7000,7300,7373,8000,8888,9000,17300,port</span><span style='font-size:8.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><br><br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>73 Keith</span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div name=messageReplySection><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>On 17 Mar 2025 at 16:44 +0000, g4piq via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:<br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-right:3.75pt;margin-bottom:3.75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>I generally prefer the principle of dropping spots at the user level rather than on the backbone (unless they are at such a rate as to be dangerous). That way the sysio can configure their node to do what's right fir them and their user base - not what someone else further upstream thinks should be right for them. If we don't apply this principle then the spider ends up becoming closer to a full mesh...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>73<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>Andy, G4PIQ <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#575757'>Sent from my Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From: Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Date: 17/03/2025 15:14 (GMT+00:00)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>To: Rob Roschewsk via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Cc: Dirk Koopman <djk@tobit.co.uk><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Subject: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>In the spirit of discouraging client programs generating spots automatically when they work something, or for other reasons that make life difficult for sysops and users that don't use digital modes, I have introduced the following system variable: </span><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>$DXProt::remove_auto_ftx</span></b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> which, as default (in the test branch), is currently set to 1.<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5<br>DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 W0JJG FT8 -15dB 1265Hz 4 1415Z IO83<br>DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10<br>DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 N9AKR FT8 -13dB from EN61 200Hz 4 1414Z IO83<br>DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 G0JEI FT8 -20dB 520Hz IO93 1412Z IO83<br>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5<br>DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15<br>DX de IZ1PLH: 21076.0 BG0HP FT8 -15 dB from NL59 23 1410Z JN34<br>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5<br>DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 CE3SOC FT8 -12dB from FF46 1295Hz FF46 1408Z IO83<br>DX de YC1JEL: 28180.0 RA4M FT4 -04dB 2426Hz LO44 1441Z 28<br>DX de GM0LIR: 24919.0 6Y7EI FT4 +06dB 1585Hz 8 1442Z IO85<br>DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 YC1JEA FT8 -07dB from OI33 671Hz <br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>would become:<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5<br>DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10<br>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5<br>DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15<br>DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5<br><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>It is, of course, likely that these spots that are left are auto generated too - but at least they provide some useful information. If it is deemed necessary, I can get rid of these as well, together with all the other FTx spots if necessary.<br><br>Some people may think this is overkill, but the spot feed is filling up with more and more useless spots, most of which are machine generated. Someone has to take a stand. Now where did I put that wobbly pedestal I bought from the charity shop the other year?<br><br>You should be made aware, the place that this is currently done, means that these spots are dropped at the PC11/PC61 protocol level - they won't be passed onward to other nodes... You may not like that... It doesn't have to work this way, it could be a user command. Please see the next paragraph.<br><br>Someone was complaining that this list is too quiet. Maybe this will liven it up.<br><br>73 Dirk G1TLH<br><br>PS I just got a bit sick of the lack of "normal" v "FTx" spots whilst testing the deduping code so I thought "I know, I've meaning to do this for ages and it's only an extra 8 lines of code and a few comments".<br><br><br></span><span style='mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br>Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk<br>https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support<o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>