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<div>It’s not for the amount of data, Kin, it’s because I object to carrying repetitive adverts for other clusters. </div>
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<div>I don’t believe that’s what the announcement feature is really for. </div>
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<div>73 Keith</div>
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<div>On 17 Mar 2025 at 17:24 +0000, Kin via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>>, wrote:<br />
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;">I</span> <span class="SpellE" style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;">don't</span> <span style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;"></span><span class="SpellE" style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;">understand</span> <span style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;">Keith,</span> <span class="SpellE" style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;">why</span> <span style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US;"></span><span class="SpellE" style="mso-bidi-font-family:"Times 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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11.0pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";"><strong>De:</strong></span></span> <span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11.0pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <strong>En nombre de</strong> Keith, G6NHU via Dxspider-support</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11.0pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";"><strong>Enviado el:</strong> lunes, 17 de marzo de 2025 18:11</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11.0pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";"><strong>CC:</strong> Keith, G6NHU <g6nhu@me.com></span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-size:11.0pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";"><strong>Asunto:</strong> Re: [Dxspider-support] FTx autogenerated spots</span></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">I’m with Andy on this, I think it should be something for users to decide whether they show them or not. I want to give my users the choice what they see and not dictate to them.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color:black;font-family:"Menlo",serif;font-size:8.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">rej/ann node_default input info telnet,cluster,7000,7300,7373,8000,8888,9000,17300,port</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">73 Keith</span></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">On 17 Mar 2025 at 16:44 +0000, g4piq via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk>, wrote:</span><br />
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">I generally prefer the principle of dropping spots at the user level rather than on the backbone (unless they are at such a rate as to be dangerous). That way the sysio can configure their node to do what's right fir them and their user base - not what someone else further upstream thinks should be right for them. If we don't apply this principle then the spider ends up becoming closer to a full mesh...</span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">From: Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk></span></span></div>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">In the spirit of discouraging client programs generating spots automatically when they work something, or for other reasons that make life difficult for sysops and users that don't use digital modes, I have introduced the following system variable:</span></span> <span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";"><strong>$DXProt::remove_auto_ftx</strong></span></span> <span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">which, as default (in the test branch), is currently set to 1.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 W0JJG FT8 -15dB 1265Hz 4 1415Z IO83</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 N9AKR FT8 -13dB from EN61 200Hz 4 1414Z IO83</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 G0JEI FT8 -20dB 520Hz IO93 1412Z IO83</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de IZ1PLH: 21076.0 BG0HP FT8 -15 dB from NL59 23 1410Z JN34</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 CE3SOC FT8 -12dB from FF46 1295Hz FF46 1408Z IO83</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de YC1JEL: 28180.0 RA4M FT4 -04dB 2426Hz LO44 1441Z 28</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de GM0LIR: 24919.0 6Y7EI FT4 +06dB 1585Hz 8 1442Z IO85</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de G0LZX: 28074.0 YC1JEA FT8 -07dB from OI33 671Hz </span></span><br />
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<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 DL2KBX FT4 DM78<>JO30 14 1415Z 5</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de CP6UA: 24915.0 CP6UA FT8 FH82jf -> FH82jf 10 1414Z 10</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 MW7TTA FT4 DM78<>IO73 IO73 1411Z 5</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de IZ0FYO: 28180.0 9Z4Y FT4 JN61og -> FK90 FK90 1410Z 15</span></span><br />
<span style="font-family:"Courier New";font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">DX de WA2JQZ: 28180.0 OT7X FT4 DM78<>JO10 14 1408Z 5</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">It is, of course, likely that these spots that are left are auto generated too - but at least they provide some useful information. If it is deemed necessary, I can get rid of these as well, together with all the other FTx spots if necessary.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">Some people may think this is overkill, but the spot feed is filling up with more and more useless spots, most of which are machine generated. Someone has to take a stand. Now where did I put that wobbly pedestal I bought from the charity shop the other year?</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">You should be made aware, the place that this is currently done, means that these spots are dropped at the PC11/PC61 protocol level - they won't be passed onward to other nodes... You may not like that... It doesn't have to work this way, it could be a user command. Please see the next paragraph.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">Someone was complaining that this list is too quiet. Maybe this will liven it up.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt;"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";">PS I just got a bit sick of the lack of "normal" v "FTx" spots whilst testing the deduping code so I thought "I know, I've meaning to do this for ages and it's only an extra 8 lines of code and a few comments".</span></span><br />
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