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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Yes – thanks Dirk – understand – the compromise is a reasonable one!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>73<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Andy, G4PIQ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces@tobit.co.uk> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Ravnič via Dxspider-support<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 May 2025 13:03<br><b>To:</b> The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk><br><b>Cc:</b> Simon Ravnič <s53zo@t-2.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Dxspider-support] Dedup error?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I understand. This is far more important than the beacons. Will educate my user.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73 & TNX<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Simon, S53ZO<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 20 May 2025, at 11:55, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you remove the delay, then that MAJOR vector of flood attacks opens up again. I cannot stress enough how effective this part of the filtering process is. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So, what perhaps we should consider is whether to change the default delay or educate the user about how the filter works and encourage him to modify his spotting behaviour. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There HAS to be a delay. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps someone could do some analysis after the contest at the end of the month to determine what an optimum value might be? I am not going to be near a suitable computer. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It is tunable from the console. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I understand the concern about corrections but is that more important than flood protection?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73 Dirk<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 19 May 2025, at 09:50, g4piq via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have seen the same thing. Changing frequency does not seem to defeat the dupe spot timer - which I think it should. I know there was a parameter for a minimum frequency shift to count as a new spot which I think got moved down (quite correctly) from 25 kHz to 1 kHz.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This also impacts the ability of a user ti correct a spot accidently sent on the wrong frequency before the 5 min timer expires.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andy, G4PIQ <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div id="composer_signature"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:#909090'>Sent from my Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>From: Simon Ravnič via Dxspider-support <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Date: 19/05/2025 09:22 (GMT+00:00) <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>To: The DXSpider Support list <<a href="mailto:dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cc: Simon Ravnič <<a href="mailto:s53zo@t-2.net">s53zo@t-2.net</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Subject: [Dxspider-support] Dedup error? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>my user, S51ZO is often spotting beacons and complained to me that he gets wrong duplicate warnings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is what I found out:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:03:08 GMT 1296090 S55ZMS/B -> FORWARD</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:04:30 GMT 1296938 HG3BUB/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:04:46 GMT 2320090 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:06:10 GMT 3400090 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:06:53 GMT 5760885 HG3BSA/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:07:18 GMT 10368070 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:09:23 GMT 10368930 HG3BS/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:09:50 GMT 10368975 HG1BSB/ -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:14:16 GMT 1296878 9A0BLP/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:25:33 GMT 10368050 S55ZRS/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:25:48 GMT 5760045 S55ZRS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:27:36 GMT 10368018 OE8XXQ/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:41:14 GMT 3400090 S55ZMS/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-10 16:41:33 GMT 5760045 S55ZRS/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:15:46 GMT 2320890 HG3BUC/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:16:35 GMT 5760885 HG3BSA/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:18:58 GMT 10368930 HG3BSB/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:20:00 GMT 1296938 HG3BUB/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:20:59 GMT 1296975 HG1BUB/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:21:47 GMT 2320975 HG1BUB/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:22:51 GMT 2320975 HG1BUB/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:23:25 GMT 10368975 HG1SB/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:26:17 GMT 1296090 S55ZMS/B -> FORWARD<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:26:31 GMT 2320090 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:26:45 GMT 3400090 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Menlo",serif'>2025-05-15 18:27:07 GMT 10368070 S55ZMS/B -> DUPLICATE<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So it appears that any two spots with the same callsign get compared, regardless of frequency. How long is deduping timer? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is this a bug or a feature? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Simon, S53ZO<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>S50DXS sysop<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Dxspider-support mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk">Dxspider-support@tobit.co.uk</a><br><a href="https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support">https://mailman.tobit.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/dxspider-support</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>