I see no standardization has to be established from a sysop point of view as Gunnar explained. Gunnar Widell (HF/ESE) wrote: > The sysop group is #9000, please join it. A choice remaining from convers and IRC. sh/chat group_id works for any group, BUT #9000 it seems. A fix to spider software or a move to group "sysop"? 73 Kjell