[Dxspider-support] Adding ^mode^?

Ian Maude maudeij at gmail.com
Tue Jan 21 21:39:28 GMT 2014


Hi Mike,
I can’t see how you could know the mode.  If you are expecting the users to
populate the field, I suspect you are fighting an uphill battle :)

73 Ian


On 21 January 2014 20:40, Michael Carper <mike at wa9pie.net> wrote:

> I agree.  It would be nice to pull everyone onto the same page.  But I
> suspect that has been tried previously with limited success.
>
> I also recognize that you (Lee) and Dirk have done a good job of
> collaborating and both CC Cluster and DX Spider are very predictable in
> many ways.
>
> But unless the mode is consistently in a specific field, there's almost no
> way to match it.  (Unless we skim the entire comment field for matching
> characters.  But I'm not sure that's going to capture very many.)
>
> The ADIF standard isn't great in many regards, but modes are defined
> there.  So a user may type JT in the comment field, but there are 5
> different JT modes.  Maybe that's trivial.
>
> But I'm quite certain of one thing...
>
> If the clusters would propagate the spot with MODE in the 21st field, HRD
> would sure as heck make sure that MODE was sent in each and every spot on a
> consistent basis, We'd read it right off the radio or from the QSO screen.
>
> Mike, WA9PIE
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Lee Sawkins <ve7cc at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>  Mike
>>
>> The real problem is that there are no "official" standards for DX Cluster
>> software.  What is needed is a group to get together and agree on what
>> these standards should be.  Then all the software writers need to follow
>> these standards.
>>
>> You will find there is quite a bit of compatibility between DX Spider and
>> CC Cluster as Dirk and I have worked together to do this.  AR Cluster
>> versions 4 and 6 are not even compatible with each other, let alone
>> anything else.
>>
>> Many spotters, especially for data modes, put the mode as the first word
>> of the comments.  My node software reformats Skimmer spots to put the mode
>> as the first word in the comments field.  In my opinion this is the best
>> solution at the present time.  This format is both human and machine
>> readable.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Michael G. Carper <mike at wa9pie.net>
>> *To:* 'The DXSpider Support list' <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:04 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Dxspider-support] Adding ^mode^?
>>
>>  Right.  I’m referring to mode.  Here’s what’s happening… and I don’t
>> think it’s unique to Ham Radio Deluxe (other loggers would have the same
>> problem).
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently, loggers look at the frequency of the spot and try to estimate
>> “mode”.  This is done by looking up the spotted frequency in the “band
>> plan”… then displaying a mode as determined by the frequency of the spot
>> with regards to the band plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> For CW and phone, this works pretty well.  There’s nothing but CW at
>> 7.005 MHz… and you hear phone at 14.200.
>>
>>
>>
>> But for digital modes, it’s almost impossible to determine the mode from
>> the frequency.  We (hams) don’t stick to the band plan very well, and
>> there’s a pretty broad area where various digital modes are used.  Further,
>> during a CW contest (for example), the activity often spreads up into the
>> digital area of the band (above 7.035, let’s say) and the matter gets worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> So…
>>
>>
>>
>> I noticed that VE7CC had extended CC11 to add five fields.  While DX
>> Spider has a 20 field CC11 string… CC Cluster has a 25 field string, with
>> the 21st one unused.
>>
>>
>>
>> My proposal is to use the 21st field for mode.
>>
>>
>>
>> The *mode* would be supplied by the user (just as call, frequency, time,
>> date, and comment; typically via software).  If the 21st field is blank
>> (user does not supply it), then that’s fine… it can be ignored, as if the
>> comment field were blank.
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s my proposal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike, WA9PIE
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dxspider-support-bounces at dxcluster.org [mailto:
>> dxspider-support-bounces at dxcluster.org] *On Behalf Of *Lee Sawkins
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:17 AM
>> *To:* The DXSpider Support list
>> *Subject:* Re: [Dxspider-support] Adding ^mode^?
>>
>>
>>
>> By rarely accurate do you mean there is a problem with the mode?
>>
>>
>>
>> Where is the info required to populate this field going to come from?
>>
>>
>>
>> Lee
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Michael Carper <mike at wa9pie.net>
>>
>> *To:* The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2014 10:08 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* [Dxspider-support] Adding ^mode^?
>>
>>
>>
>> One of the problems that we (at HRD Software) face is that digital modes
>> are rarely accurate in the spots.  (PSK31, Contestia, Olivia, MFSK... and
>> so on)
>>
>>
>>
>> My question is...
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to extend CC11 by adding a field at the end for "mode"?
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike, WA9PIE
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