[Dxspider-support] Spot with False Origin Nodes
Dirk Koopman
djk at tobit.co.uk
Tue Feb 4 16:13:09 GMT 2025
And while we are on this subject and since this debacle, I have been
seeing quite a few of these:
sh/dx info {\d\d\.\d\d}
G1TLH de GB7DJK 4-Feb-2025 1607Z dxspider >
14010.0 IT9MRM 4-Feb-2025 1605Z 16.05 SOMMERGIBILE CALVI
S-68 <IT9ECY>
7098.0 IT9MRM 4-Feb-2025 1603Z 16.02 SOMMERGIBILE CALVI
S-68 <IT9CHC>
7074.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1600Z 16.00 Accredit Station A.
Vespucci <IT9BGB>
7074.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1558Z 15.48 AW. AMERIGO
VESPUCCI <IK1JNP>
7074.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1553Z 15.53 IQ'S DISTRICT ARMI
VESPUCCI <IT9CHA>
7074.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1543Z 15.43 A. VESPUCCI ACCREDIT
STATION <IT9CHC>
7098.0 IT9MRM 4-Feb-2025 1541Z 16.41 SOMMERGIBILE CALVI S
68 <IT9ECY>
7074.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1538Z 15.38 IQ\'S DISTRICT ARMI
VESPUCCI AW <IT9ECY>
7094.0 IQ9AAP 4-Feb-2025 1517Z 15.17 IQ'S DISTRICT ARMI
VESPUCCI <IT9CHA>
Exactly why someone wishes to unnecessarily add an extra 6 bytes of
bandwidth to each spot, repeating the spotted time, is beyond me.
Is this related to IU1NSA's venture below?
73 Dirk G1TLH
On 04/02/2025 15:17, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support wrote:
> Lorenzo
>
> Not in any particular order:
>
> * You are a commercial entity which decided, without ever asking
> anyone, whether it would be OK to AUTOMATICALLY send spots to the
> network. And doing this to the extent that about half of all spots
> were WWA related for several days.
> * You are using bandwidth provided by others - at their expense -
> for your commercial gain.
> * Someone contacted you and was informed that this would stop last
> Wednesday, but it didn't stop until the evening before least
> weekend's contest.
> * For at least the first three days, spots were being sent from
> unknown users (who were not visibly logged on anywhere) on unknown
> nodes with apparently forged IP addresses from a node connection
> (apparently in the USA) that was not visible on the network. There
> was very little "Ham Spirit" visible there.
> * As for validating users via qrz.com, a quick scan through the
> archive will tell you that you are, at best, misinformed.
> * We all noticed that once we started to filter out this traffic
> that your tactics changed - for the better - but not enough, so no
> cigar.
> * I looked at your website on the day that this started any the ONLY
> information that I could find (not easily) was a very odd postal
> address suggesting a location in Italy. No callsign, no email
> address - nothing useful.
> * We have no bias against anyone that uses the system responsibly.
> And we define "responsibly" as a human operator either typing a
> spot or pressing a (function) key in a user app.
> * You are not the only app/system that sends stuff automatically.
> Whichever Ftx app(s) are automatically spotting each contact that
> they hear/make are next on my list.
>
> If you wish / need a distributed channel for communications through
> the network. There are better methods of doing that without diluting
> the spot feed. The user base can do that, manually, well enough
> without machine help :-(.
>
> Your assumption that your idea of "Ham Spirit" would allow your app to
> do what it did managed to piss off all the active node sysops and a
> large proportion of the existing user base. As well as causing the
> sysops a lot of extra work trying to manage it.
>
> But, on a positive note, I had a good hard look at the filtering code,
> fixed a few small bugs and improved the debugging messages so that,
> next time, when someone tries something that behaves in a dumping huge
> gobs of spots on the network - we will be better prepared.
>
> If you wish to discuss how to use the network responsibly, and in the
> first instance, please feel free to contact me directly.
>
> But, BE WARNED, any attempt to flood spots onto the network will not
> be permitted. And will hold you to your statement saying that all
> spots are generated manually and will insist your system makes sure
> that users are logged into (a) real node(s) with real IP addresses. I
> may yet invoke the "nuclear option" of dumping all protocol spots from
> users that cannot be identified in real time, one way or another, via
> the routing tables for all active users/nodes that each DXSpider node
> has.
>
> Dirk G1TLH
>
>
> On 04/02/2025 14:14, Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support wrote:
>> On 04/02/2025 14:02, Lorenzo IU1NSA via Dxspider-support wrote:
>>> Good afternoon,
>>>
>>> I am Lorenzo IU1NSA, and I am part of the HamAward team.
>>> First of all, I would like to thank Niklas for informing us about
>>> this mailing list.
>>>
>>> I am writing to express our deep concern regarding the recent ban of
>>> our node IU1NSA-6 and the IPs of HamAward, which we only became
>>> aware of thanks to reports from our users during an important event.
>>> Operators informed us that their spots were not appearing on many
>>> web clusters, forcing us to intervene promptly to ensure the proper
>>> execution of the event, in respect of both participants and sponsors
>>> involved.
>>>
>>> We are unable to understand the reasons for this ban, especially
>>> since we never received any prior communication, neither directed to
>>> IU1NSA nor to HamAward. From the emails you exchanged, it is evident
>>> that some of you visited our website: I therefore wonder why none of
>>> our contacts, clearly visible on every page, were used to reach out
>>> to us and clarify any doubts. This total lack of communication has
>>> left us puzzled and concerned, considering the impact such decisions
>>> can have on the activities of thousands of operators.
>>>
>>> Personally, I was particularly struck by the attitude of Luigi
>>> Carlotto IK5ZUK. I know Luigi IK5ZUK well, as we collaborated to
>>> organize the WRTC 2022 cluster node in Italy, and until recently, we
>>> exchanged advice on which servers to rent for managing our nodes.
>>> Moreover, Luigi IK5ZUK has my direct phone number, and we have often
>>> communicated via WhatsApp. Therefore, I find it difficult to
>>> understand why he decided to ban my node without even contacting me,
>>> despite having the means to quickly resolve any issues. This
>>> behavior, combined with your arbitrary handling of the situation,
>>> forced us to reorganize independently to continue our activities,
>>> while also raising concerns about a potential unjustified bias
>>> against us.
>>>
>>> I would like to emphasize that the HamAward platform complies with
>>> all the rules required for sending spots: every user is registered
>>> through a mandatory QRZ authentication procedure and can only spot
>>> under their own name, with a limit of once every 10 minutes. There
>>> has never been any flooding of the network, and no spot has been
>>> generated automatically. All spots were manually submitted by users.
>>> Your assumptions regarding automation do not reflect the reality of
>>> the situation.
>>>
>>> We believe that banning nodes without first attempting to contact us
>>> for clarification is inconsistent with the Ham spirit, especially
>>> when all the necessary means to do so were readily available. This
>>> is even more serious considering that we have official agreements
>>> with A.R.I. Italia for the management of awards, and the HamAward
>>> node was banned even during one of these official events. I wonder
>>> what the Ham spirit represents when an activity linked to A.R.I.
>>> itself is blocked.
>>>
>>> We feel it is important to open a direct dialogue with you to
>>> understand the reasons behind what happened and, above all, to
>>> prevent similar situations from occurring in the future.
>>> Transparency and communication are fundamental to the proper
>>> functioning of this community.
>>>
>>> I take this opportunity to commend you for the excellent work you do
>>> in managing the network and Dirk G1TLH for the development of
>>> DXSpider software, which represents a benchmark for all of us.
>>> We appreciate the work you do and recognize your technical
>>> expertise, and we hope that in the future we can establish a more
>>> transparent and direct dialogue, with mutual respect and for the
>>> benefit of the entire community.
>>>
>>> I look forward to your response.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Lorenzo IU1NSA
>>>
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