[Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)

Wed Feb 12 19:16:41 GMT 2025

Hi Kelly, AKA K2EL ;)

First of all, I want to thank you for your honesty and explanation. I fully
understand your perspective, and I appreciate that you took the time to
clarify the point. I gladly accept what you've written, and the important
thing now is to be aligned on how to address the issue.

Your direct and simple communication is always welcome, and I believe with
this approach, we can definitely find a solution that everyone can agree
on. Let’s stay focused on the goal of improving the network and stopping
the flow of unwanted spots.

Thanks again for your contribution, and I look forward to continuing to
work with all of you to find a solution.

Best regards,
Fulvio HB9DHG

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:53 PM Kelly Leavitt <kelly at catcorner.org> wrote:

> Fulvio,
>   Sorry for the curtness of my message. My brain operates in a very casual
> manner. I look to email as an extension of a conversation and can sometimes
> seem off-putting. Of course, I seem that way in normal conversation
> sometimes too.
>
>   My question was exactly what Chris described. What do the originators of
> the bad spots hope to gain? Why flood our very useful network with junk
> spots? Or, as I stated, am I misunderstanding the source of these?
>
> If, as Dirk and Kin describe, 60% of our traffic is junk spots, then we
> all need to figure out what to do and how to stop the flow. As it is, my
> node is configured so that only registered users can post spots and
> registered users require a password (at least I think it is, I'm going to
> verify this again later today).
>
>  I appreciate all of the work done by the creators of the dx spider
> project and will implement any changes they suggest (as long as I can
> follow them) to stop the flood.
>
> Very best to all and 73 de Kelly
> KE2L
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> on behalf
> of HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 12, 2025 1:16 PM
> *To:* Christopher Schlegel <sutehk.cs at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* HB9DHG Fulvio <hb9dhg at gmail.com>; The DXSpider Support list <
> dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)
>
> Thanks, Chris.
> If you're correct, I’m surely wrong, and you can blame me! :)
> But in any case, I didn’t see any signature or any sign that made it look
> like a proactive email.
> On the other hand, your reply was kind, and I do appreciate it.
> With respect, HB9DHG Fulvio
> .
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 7:12 PM Christopher Schlegel <sutehk.cs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Fulvio,
>
> I think you misunderstood Kelly's message. He was stating his comments
> against the providers (people creating the bad spots/abusing the network)
> and their possible intention of discrediting the cluster sysops, in light
> of the recent events with WWA and others.
>
> Just my take...
>
> 73,
>
> Chris, WI3W
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025, 13:05 HB9DHG Fulvio via Dxspider-support <
> dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Kelly,
>
> First of all, let me thank you for this email, not necessarily for its
> content, which I find somewhat disrespectful (there’s no greeting, no
> sign-off, and no courtesy), but because it gives me the opportunity to
> respond (and we are free to do so) to your statement.
>
> First of all, this is a group of Sysops (or even free interested guys) who
> are simply trying to improve the network, investing their resources and
> time to provide a reliable tool, just like the cluster is.
>
> Courtesy would have been simply asking why these "bad spots" are occurring
> in a polite and respectful manner. I do agree with you, "I'm
> misunderstanding what is going on." Yes, because here we are just analyzing
> the logs, which are "transparent" to the Sysops, and I’m happy that they
> are transparent to all those subscribed to this group.
>
> Please feel free not to respond if you prefer. I am, like many others,
> using software that has given me great satisfaction, as the Linux version
> has even helped me grow professionally.
>
> I don’t think we are "attempting to discredit the service." We are simply
> working actively to make the network more transparent. If there are doubts
> or questions, maybe they should be asked in a polite and respectful manner,
> for the sake of all parties involved.
>
> Sorry for the outburst, but I feel better now and I hope you can calmly
> raise any questions in a more serene way.
>
> HB9DHG Fulvio
>
> Sysop HB9ON-8 Cluster
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 6:43 PM Kelly Leavitt via Dxspider-support <
> dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> wrote:
>
> What is the end game of the providers of all of the 'bad spots'?
>
> An attempt at discrediting the service.
>
> I will NEVER understand behavior like this, or am I misunderstanding what
> is going on.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> on behalf
> of Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:20 AM
> *To:* Dxspider-Support <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
> *Cc:* Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Dxspider-support] The results are in for today (so far)
>
> The results are in:
>
> After setting $DXProt::senderverify to 1 or 2 (hint: I have set mine to 2)
>
> And running the following two commands:
>
>     grepdbg '\s+<-\s+I\s+GB7DJK\s+PC61' | wc -l
>
> and
>
>     grepdbg 'bad spot ' | wc -l
>
> and noting the numbers on a piece of paper with the first command being
> 'A' and the second 'B' and then doing this simple calculation:
>
>     B * 100 / A
>
> The result I got for a morning's traffic (the natural result of a grepdbg
> on today's log with sendverify set) is:
>
>         60.22 (%)
>
> Or to put it another way, most of the traffic sent today is very likely
> fake.
>
> Houston, we have a problem...
>
> 73 Dirk G1TLH
>
> PS If you have had senderverify set > 0 for all of today, you can repeat
> the example above by changing 'GB7DJK' to a similar node feeding yours from
> which you are likely to get all/most of your spots.
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