[Dxspider-support] You are killing all Webclusters!

[Rene Olsen]

Hi.

I actually had the exact same thought :-)

A "Whitelist" with origins that we trust.

To get on that whitelist, it must be sown that users needs to register and use call + password 
to log in, if they should be able to send spots.

Vy 73 de Rene / OZ1LQH

On 7 Mar 2025 at 9:29, Erwin Fiten via Dxspider-support wrote:

> Or can we create a whitelist from known webclusters that only allow
> VERIFIED users to spot?  Like the global 'badIP' list?
> I think this is the easiest resolution to this problem.
> We contact the well-known webclusters to check that they verify their
> users, if that's the case, we KNOW that the spots from the callsign that
> webcluster uses, are LEGIT.
> We expand this whitelist as we contact more webclusters, but only add them
> to the whitelist when they verify their logins?
> 
> A good proposal? And it's not that difficult to implement ? @Dirk Koopman
> G1TLH <g1tlh at dxcluster.org>
> 
> Erwin ON8AR, sysop ON0NOL-9
> 
> Op vr 7 mrt 2025 om 08:03 schreef Iain Philipps via Dxspider-support <
> dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>:
> 
> >
> >    - The situation today is not so dramatic, but I agree with you that
> >    something needs to be reviewed and we have to rethink a suitable way to
> >    contrast the attacks we have seen.
> >
> >
> >    1. Register all users with a password
> >    2. Pass user connection state to "the network"
> >
> >
> >
> > I would assume that a group of people capable of creating these large
> > scale web clusters could also arrange to do the above ...
> >
> > Just my view.
> >
> > 73 de WR3D
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> *On
> > Behalf Of *IZ2LSC via Dxspider-support
> > *Sent:* 07 March 2025 06:52
> > *To:* The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> > *Cc:* IZ2LSC <iz2lsc.andrea at gmail.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Dxspider-support] You are killing all Webclusters!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Tobias,
> > Just a clarification.
> > The list show "unverified" spot received by my node. So if I received
> > these spots it means they were not dropped before. Not all dxspider nodes
> > are dropping these spot for several reasons (SW not updated, different cfg
> > from default).  On my node for example the unverified spot are accepted and
> > pass through. They are dropped only when a flood is detected and I have a
> > direct connection with dxfun.
> >
> > The situation today is not so dramatic, but I agree with you that
> > something needs to be reviewed and we have to rethink a suitable way to
> > contrast the attacks we have seen.
> >
> > 73s
> >
> > Andre
> >
> > IZ2LSC
> >
> > /// sent from my mobile device \\\
> >
> >
> >
> > Il ven 7 mar 2025, 03:09 Mikel EA2CW via Dxspider-support <
> > dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> ha scritto:
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > * Unfortunately, I was not able to calculate how many "real" fake spots
> > were dropped due to the $DXProt::sendverify = 2, because it could not be
> >   determined how many of the users of the webclusters analysed were
> > really logged at them and how many were "injected"
> > ===========================================
> >
> > Spots sent / rejected from listed webclusters
> > during the 48 hours of the ARRL SSB Contest
> > March 1 & 2, 2025 (data at EA2CW-2)
> >
> > NODE     -> WEBCLUSTER  Tot. Qs   Qs/h
> >                          Dropped  Dropped
> > ========    ==========  =======  =======
> > EA4RCH-5 -> dxfun.com .... 6242 .. 130
> > DH1TW-2  -> dxheat.com.... 4463 ..  93
> > PY1NB-4  -> dxwatch.com ..... 0 .... 0
> > EA6VQ-2  -> dxmaps.com .... 233 .... 5
> > DO5SSB-2 -> qrzcq.com ..... 864 ... 18
> >
> > ========================================
> >
> > Total spots rejected..... 11802 .. 248
> > Total spots accepted..... 39691 .. 827
> > Total spots.............. 51493 . 1072
> > % spots rejected............ 23%
> >
> > --
> > 73 de Mikel Berrocal EA2CW-AE2CW
> > Bilbao, Basque Country
> > ea2cw at gautxori.com
> > https://www.ea2cw.eus
> >
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