[Dxspider-support] Cluster beacons on the network

Thu Dec 16 23:52:05 GMT 2021

I usually don’t jump into things like this but I saw a post earlier this week of someone’s crontab file and had a entry to announce things at a scheduled interval.  So I did some checking.  I ran sh/ann and got the following:

16Dec2021 at 14:00:00 PI1LAP-1 -> ALL DXspider telnet dx.packet-radio.nl 7300 at 16-Dec-2021 1400Z
16Dec2021 at 14:00:00 PY5JO-11 -> ALL DXSpider PY5JO-11 Curitiba, Brazil, GG54ho, telnet py5jo.no-ip.org 8000, John py5jo at arrl.net, at 16-Dec-2021 1400Z
16Dec2021 at 14:00:00 I0INU-6 -> ALL cluster i0inu.dyndns.org 7300 change dns at cluster.i0inu.it 7300 16-Dec-2021 1400Z
16Dec2021 at 14:00:01 GB7HTL -> ALL CLUSTER: gb7htl.packet-radio.com 7300 or 9000 at 16-Dec-2021 1400Z
16Dec2021 at 14:00:01 PY3NZ-8 -> ALL PY3NZ-8 Araucaria DX Group Dxcluster - telnet dxc.baependi.com.br 8000
16Dec2021 at 14:05:00 SR9DDF-12 -> ALL DX Cluster Silesian University of Technology * Gliwice * IP: 157.158.185.199 port 9000 at 16-Dec-2021 1405Z
16Dec2021 at 14:05:00 SV1IW-9 -> ALL SV1IW-9 dxspider telnet sv1iw.ignorelist.com 73 or 7300
16Dec2021 at 14:10:00 SR4DXC -> ALL DXCLUSTER SR4DXC: via telnet dxcluster.pl 7300  or  via www: http://dxcluster.pl
16Dec2021 at 14:25:00 IZ8BRI-6 -> ALL IZ8BRI-6 DXCLUSTER telnet://iz8bri.dyndns.org:9000
16Dec2021 at 15:00:00 SV5BYR-7 -> ALL SV5FRI-1 DXCluster: telnet dxc.sv5fri.eu 7300 / Web interface: https://dxc.sv5fri.eu
16Dec2021 at 15:01:00 PY2ZEN-6 -> ALL PY2ZEN-6 DXcluster: telnet ok2pen.ampr.org 7300
16Dec2021 at 15:08:00 SV1CMG-2 -> ALL LAMDXC DXCluster : telnet sv1cmg.no-ip.org 17300
16Dec2021 at 15:10:10 SV5FRI-1 -> ALL SV5FRI-1 DXCluster: telnet dxc.sv5fri.eu 7300 / Web interface: https://dxc.sv5fri.eu
16Dec2021 at 17:00:01 DL4DAC-2 -> ALL DL4DAC-2 Skimmer/Cluster Telnet dl4dac.ben2.de 7300 at 16-Dec-2021
16Dec2021 at 18:15:00 IK5PWJ-6 -> ALL * DXCLUSTER IK5PWJ-6: telnet://ik5pwj-6.dyndns.org:8000
16Dec2021 at 18:16:54 IK2XDE -> ALL CCluster+Skimmer - IK2XDE-6 - telnet://ik2xde.ddns.net:8000
16Dec2021 at 18:28:19 IZ8BRI -> ALL DXCLUSTER IZ8BRI-6 telnet://iz8bri.dyndns.org 9000
16Dec2021 at 22:00:00 EA3CV-2 -> ALL DX Spider EA3CV-2 telnet> ea3cv.duckdns.org 7300 with Quality Filters for RBN
16Dec2021 at 22:30:50 PY2VOX -> ALL 57 in GG67KD -  SSB - 73 - TNX - PETER
16Dec2021 at 23:19:17 SV1IW-3 -> ALL SV1IW-9 Cluster " telnet sv1iw.ignorelist.com 73"  & web interface active.

Most of these are announcements on our network to tell me how to connect to the network that I’m already connect to.  Not really useful or needed information.  Some might call it Spam.

For me and my users here in West Virginia where ham cluster shows me as the only node in West Virginia, I pretty sure none of us will telnet to a Europe node to connect.  As I said, not useful information.

Jim W8BS
James Snider
jim at lexiann.com

> On Dec 16, 2021, at 5:56 AM, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian,
> 
> I fully agree that few people read them, but some of those few seem (from my experience) that they have discovered the possibility of having previously treated RBN spots, and others have found webclusters that have been useful to them.
> 
> The real problem is in the amount of "routing" traffic that we have due to the architecture of our Network.
> 
> As always, it is one more opinion.
> 
> 73 de Kin
> 
> 
> El jue, 16 dic 2021 a las 9:28, Ian Maude via Dxspider-support (<dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk <mailto:dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>>) escribió:
> I can only answer for myself Kin.  They are completely pointless bits of traffic on the network.  The vast majority of the time they will not be seen by the cluster users.  In fact, I question how many people actually watch announcements in general these days.  Most logging programs do not show announcements at all unless the user is watching the actual telnet session.  You mention about losing users.  I am not bothered about that at all because virtually nobody sees these pointless announcements,  They are just traffic for the sake of traffic.  It’s like saying, 'I am not going to dust that table because it is only a small percentage of the house'.  Regardless of the percentage of overall traffic they represent, they don’t need to be there.
> You are quite right that everyone has a right to do what they wish on their own cluster node, as long as it does not impact the network negatively.  If people are happy to get all these announcements, that is their right of course.  I, personally, do not wish to receive them on my nodes and will continue to block them.
> 
> 73 Ian
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2021, at 18:56, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk <mailto:dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The truth is that I do not understand why it bothers these ann so much.
>> If we look at the amount that is generated per day compared to the volume of spots, the value is really ridiculous. If it really detracts from the core performance of the cluster, you would understand.
>> I can understand the concern of some system operators about losing users, but I don't think this is significant.
>> If all clusters do not provide the same functionality, why restrict the freedom of users to try others, and let them decide, not us?
>> Each system operator is free to manage their cluster ... perhaps users should also be free to choose what to do with the information received.
>> We are less and less radio amateurs, why not support the few radio projects that are appearing.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Kin
>> 
>> 
>> El lun, 13 dic 2021 a las 13:37, Ian Maude via Dxspider-support (<dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk <mailto:dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>>) escribió:
>> I have not had a grump about this for several years but is it just me?  Why oh why do I see so many beacons coming up using Ann/full on the network?  I get pages of the damn things.  I get a lot less now because I add them to badspotter!  I have never seen the use for these.  Most users use login programs and never see them anyway and the users they are targetting are already using the cluster they are used to.
>> 
>> </grump>
>> 
>> Bah Humbug!
>> 
>> Ian
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